But if you find any with little bells inside, be afraid, very afraid......

ORAC

You might need to provide a link to it if you get my meaning.


anyway, don't forget they also smell of pepper spray ! LOL

M2

Just a minor point, but I think it worth mentioning - US is in NATO, so would they be obliged to retaliate against themseves post-strike agin Iran?:E

Mister B

Willard
especially for you
Scat / Droppings

And the difference between Black Bear and Grizzly bear :O

Watch For Bears Joke

Why didn't anyone tell me before, Mister B? So NATO is us, The USA and China, right? Anyway, luckily, I mistakenly said

"Iran joins NATO. Israel and the US bomb them. The rest of NATO is obliged to retaliate"

Note the accidental use of the word REST. So I need to adapt my new scenario in light of this new intelligence:

Arab League sanctions Iran. Iran applies to join NATO, EU and Euro zone and is accepted because it puts in the lowest bid to build the UK's new generation of nuclear plant AND the Trident replacement. Israel and the US bomb Iran because they need a war that can give quicker results than the previous two in order to push through their Defense (sic) spending bill. The REST of NATO is obliged to retaliate (an attack against one is an attack against all). We're at war. UK surrenders to the US so we're all effectively POWs, and the country is annexed. US has to pick up our national debt and everything is rosy.

I'm going to lie down now.

M2

You see, all that staff training was worthwhile in the end, you just forgot the detail...:)

When you say "the rest of NATO", does that include Germany and France? That new scenario is taking shape; I just hope that they don't make us drink Dr Pepper and eat maple syrup on our eggs over easy or SoS - cruel and unusual punishment.::yuk:

Mister B

Germany are in it too??? I thought they were the bad guys. Oh, you mean West Germany?

Germany and France will sit this one out and then do a deal with the US
to take over the UK.

So get used to the Euro, sausages and that awful cabbage stuff now. Oh, dear. Next you'll be telling me our bombers and fighters will be made in Germany too!!! Now that would be stupid.

Don't forget the pig knuckle and furry tennis ball with gravy; all washed down with a quite reasonable selection of yellow beer (other types of beverage are available). Actually, some of the red cabbage dishes aren't too bad - similar to Delia's spicy recipe in her Christmas (or is it winter?) cookbook.

Mister B

Mister B, my father didn't die in three world wars so we could all go around eating cabbage. Actually, I might have to give them the pig knuckle. It was very good in the German (presumably West German) Club at Deci. Hey, this plan is looking up.

Oh, Déjà vu. Anyway, on Iran's US supplied a/c, you are right. In fact most of them stopped working 20 yeas ago. I'll come back to the rest later...

Didn't Iraq have lots of Sov fighter types back in 1991?

Don't forget N Korea in that nuclear club - we expect them to pitch in after midnight on 15 Dec to get Apocalygeddon rolling; only 8 and a bit days to go now, the tension is rising.

Anyhow, some daytime telly is quite good - watched an afternoon programme the other day that kept me enthralled...Wales vs Autralia.

Mister B

Mister B,

Yes they did.

Iran ended up with Lots of previous gen MiGs and SUs, including Frogfoot, MiG25, 27 and 29. I seem to recall some transports and helos too.

Iraq flew a lot of their MiGs and SUs to Iran in '91, which Iran grabbed and never gave back.

That'll be Iran's high tech modern air force then....and we were quite happy for them to be somewhere other than Iraq in '91.

Alone, unarmed and unafraid - our biggest threat was the USN's F14, who seemd determined to shoot anything that was airborne. Sorry drifting a bit.

Mister B

Yes, Mister B. They've got a lot of helos. Actually they have quite a lot of FJ airframes, but a lot are wrecks. Also, remember that Iran is a massive country with only 14 Tactical Air Bases (and some auxilliary airfields). So not much in the way of contemporary air and a huge chunk of airspace to cover.

Radar is another problem. Again a big space to cover. I don't think I can report any AWACS, athough there was talk about getting one from Russia - don't think it happened. Possibly a VHF, anti-stealth radar, but how much can one cover?

Thinking about SAMs, long range systems are located through the centre of the country and in the West - SA2 and SA5. Tactical systems are positioned, as you would expect, around strategic and population centres - mainly S200 and Hawk (yes, US sold them, they've kept them going).

There are one or two modern things, but...

That'll be Iran's high tech modern air force then.

had an interesting experience a few years back, flying Swissair to Bombay overnight.
The cabin crew had insisted we pull down the blinds, but a bit later I lifted mine. As we crossed the border into Iran an F-14 passed directly over our starboard wing, in the reverse direction. At a best guess 20 feet above, 70 feet away from the fuselage. The Swissair pilot didn't flinch and our flight continued with no change in direction.
Next morning as we left I asked one of the pilots about it. He totally denied it had happened

Man, that drinks service is good on Swiss!

Is there any reason why he should have seen it?