Typhoon Pilots 'unfit for flying' Sent Home
BBC News reported this morning that 2 Typhoon pilots from RAF Coningsby had been sent home from Italy for being unfit for flying following a night out, apparently. Anyone got any more on this?
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Inexcusable!
If you cannot stay off the juice when on ops, then there is no place for you in our Armed Forces.
I say that they should be added to the Redundancy Tranche 1 list. No, on second thoughts, they would get cash for that; just sack them! |
Good job you weren't around during the BoB then Strigg.
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Or the whole of the '60s. (... and, I imagine,the '50s.) :hmm:
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What happened in the BoB has nothing to do with how the RAF should or should not conduct modern military operations; any more than how the English performed at Agincourt should influence the British Army. Without making comment on the specific cases involved, there is a simple rule:
If you cannot act professionally on ops, you shouldn't be on ops. |
Here we go again!! Jumping in before the facts are known!:ugh:
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Not only that - Hotel + Alcohol + Journalists = OPSEC shocker.
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Is this a new incident or just a rehash of old news ? |
RED,
Clearly a GSOH not in your bio - but I'll bet PC and H&S are :sad: |
According to CEEFAX incident happened at the end of March.
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Jindabyne,
You're right, no GSOH in my bio. But there are a few ops in there... (..and I've also stood over the grave of a mate who was killed because someone else didn't do their job properly) |
According to CEEFAX incident happened at the end of March. This incident will no doubt appear as more evidence as to why we should have retained (or regenerate) certain capabilities - but out of interest once committed to ops do the RN go dry on their boats/ships or is it 'ops normal' as far as the wardrooms are concerned? |
Here we go again!! Jumping in before the facts are known!:ugh: |
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Think the facts are undisputed.
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RLE
As I said --- :bored: |
Newt
We will probably never get to know the facts. But the mere fact that the MOD put out a statement, using that kind of wording strongly suggests that it was a serious incident. 'fraid if you can't handle it sensibly, then don't handle it at all. Ultimately there are peoples lives at stake here and I wouldn't want some drunk on my squadron irrespective of what trade, rank or position he or she was. Winco |
never mind the poor b******* they are supposed to be supporting on the ground in Libya
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Alcohol has no place in the cockpit, but it has a fantastic ability to de-stress and help with group bonding. Even the Yank doctor at CAMB supports it! Properly separated from flying I believe it is a good thing on ops. The recent dry sandy wars are just dull and soulless without it.
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Aw come on guys, give the poor Typhoon pilots a break - they've never been on a proper detachment before - let alone on Ops!
Let's hope they got a note from their Mums first before leaving the UK... |
I posted the original thread a few weeks ago when I heard it through the office grapevine, but the 2 characters probably slapped a superinjunction on the subject...and the thread disappeared quicker than a doughnut on John Prescott's plate.
I have it on good authority that they are quite senior officers...!:= Better not say too much before I get arrested or my internet get discon.... |
shirley not people desperate to get some sorties in for their CV or a Campaign Medal??
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I can honestly say that some of the best 'relaxation evenings' I've ever had have been when on 'Ops'! As I recall, getting sent home from Det is usually a pre-requisite for promotion if you're operational aircrew :D
It's pretty unusual to get deployed anywhere that you can have a drink these days so I'm glad to see that the chaps have a chance for the occasional night down the 'Squario'. |
I never . . . NEVER drank on ops (and only tea when ON ops).
Signed DD (alias Pinnochio) |
According to the link:
Gerry Connelly, a retired Air Vice Marshal and former commander at RAF Wittering in Cambridgeshire, The only thing missing is it didn't say if he was a former . . . pilot :} |
The only thing missing is it didn't say if he was a former . . . pilot http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif |
Whatever punishment or 'administrative action' is taken will pale into insignificance compared with being on "Lads' Review" for having a temporary alcohol ban imposed at Gioia del Colle. That was a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction and an insult to all the other mates.
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How do you know?
Did he tell you?:E |
Dirty Linen in Public.
If there's any 'conduct prejudicial' here it's the individual who decided to make sure it hit the headlines worldwide and embarrassed the RAF. An on site bollocking with an unwritten withdrawal of privileges would have been much more useful - and effective. Just like it used to be.
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How do you know? |
As a smiling PLAAF friend said to me today, 'It's good to see the way things are progressing in the West'.
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Sound like perfect candidates to send to the Falklands. Absolutely no chance of drinking in that 'operational theatre' ;)
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Their names are on T w i t t e r:ooh:
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If you can get past the typos in the Sun ...
"RAF's Cyrpus HQ Akrotiri" "... the limit to which crews should abide, but Torando and Typhoon pilots in Gioia have a reputation for hard-partying" |
Almost up to Grauniad standards
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The groundcrew are a little quick to take the morale highground, I know of plenty that have taxed the diplomacy of many a Detco before now. However, there is no excuse for what happened, especially whilst so many are deployed on ops where there isn't even a two can rule - written or unwritten.
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I do not know the details of this charge, so my comments are purely mine based on heresay. I don't subscibe to the two major social networking sites because I find them rather peurile and for me irrelevent. So a couple of mates got drunk whilst in Italy. Did the flying (Op) programme suffer? Did they fly whilst drunk? If the answer is no to both then they get a serious hats on interview with a suitable senior officer. If the answer is not no, then they are grounded pending a full but closed military enquiry. The press are told (if considered necessary) that the matter has been or is being dealt with and it is almost certain that the two mates would not be so daft in future.
RLE ..(..and I've also stood over the grave of a mate who was killed because someone else didn't do their job properly) I have read the "Sun" report and think that a KneeJerk action has been taken by the Commander but it seems typical of this modern RAF.. |
Thank God some of you 'fun police' weren't about 15 years ago or we'd never have got anything done or had any fun whilst doing it...:rolleyes:
They're on Ops, they let their hair down and unwound. The only problem was getting caught doing so. Surely someone should have been watching their backs, and someone else should possibly have jumped in to help out the 'Coningsby two'. As for ground crew being pissed off...? Rough with the smooth.:ok: |
So the facts are
2 Typhoon pilots went out for the night in Italy, were found by a local in a very drunk state, and were then sent home to UK. Did anyone get hurt? No. Did a Typhoon mission the next day get cancelled? No Are they pilots involved in alot of trouble? Yes Is there a no drinking rule enforced now due to their actions? Yes Did the officer who enforced that knee jerk 'no drinking for anyone' reaction nearly get thrown out of the RAF for similar behaviour going through flying training? Yes PSAB Gulf war 2003 no drinking rule - do you really think that happened? Damn stuff was everywhere. Seen worse things happen on every op i have been on, and no i dont drink and fly but i don't live in la la land either. Training Risky Saw your spiteful little post naming those involved - what a decent mate you must be. |
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