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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
(Post 11506128)
Granted doctrine has changed since my time but on CSG21 QE had 4 pingers and 3 baggers. Even when another asset has reported a POSSUB the Merlin(s) is(are) going to have to conduct a search to find and confirm. Which leads to the assumption of P-8 and SSN support to supplement the 2 FFs. Are we assuming a non-UK asset will be providing the air picture beyond the range of the Sampson and S1850M for close to the sea surface threats some of the time?
I think 820 NAS having reponsiblity for two ships is a red herring, having only 30 Merlin HM2s with up to 10 fitted with Crowsnest more allocated to 814 NAS to provide non-carrier ASW assets and 824 NAS to provide training and those undergoing Crowsnest compatibility conversions and those in deep maintenance those available for ASW tasking on two carriers operating simultaneously are way too few, If only all forty odd HM1s had been converted to HM2 standard, but somebody said that history had ended, and the politicians believed it. |
"If only all forty odd HM1s had been converted to HM2 standard"
We don't always agree - but you're right on this one - it would have been relatively cheap to do the lot -but as usual penny pinching was the order of the day |
And UAV continue to dominate the battlespace….
Royal Navy's intention to put Heavy Lift drones on all ships; and the ability of said drones to deploy STINGRAY / its successor. It is a compelling vision. It answers need to deploy ASW torpedoes at relevant range (which ship tubes can't do) without using a MK41 cell for an ASROC. You've seen drones before, but not like this. In partnership with Malloy Aeronautics, we recently demonstrated the T-600 heavy lift, all-electric vertical take-off and landing (eVTOL) demonstrator aircraft, at a recent NATO event in Portugal. 👇 http://baes.co/8SJ050PQ5HM |
Emphasis is on 'pushing the limits' : Britain’s Largest Warship HMS Prince Of Wales Makes Virginia Temporary Homeport During East Coast Deployment - Seapower (seapowermagazine.org)
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Originally Posted by SpazSinbad
(Post 11511719)
Emphasis is on 'pushing the limits' : Britain’s Largest Warship HMS Prince Of Wales Makes Virginia Temporary Homeport During East Coast Deployment - Seapower (seapowermagazine.org)
Duty Pedant. |
Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 11511935)
I note the reports claim that HMS P o W is UK's largest carrier. I was not aware that we had three or more.
Duty Pedant. |
Originally Posted by downsizer
(Post 11511948)
It's well documented that PoW is slightly larger than the QE.
Well done dutypedant |
Originally Posted by idle bystander
(Post 11512935)
Exactly, which is why she's not the largest
Well done dutypedant |
She is larger than the QE, making her the largest of the two.
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Please let's drop this grammatical wrangling!
The ancient weather-guesser was making the pedantic point that a comparative adjective is appropriate where two items are under consideration, whereas the original article used a superlative. Back to discussions of the RN's brace of aircraft carriers now please! |
I would prefer couple of carriers (as in beagles) :E as I prefer to the think of them as hunters rather than prey/targets.
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.... what could have been - Ospreys landing on HMSQNLZ 26 Feb 2023 and HMSPWLS the following day (From ships' Tw@tter/X feeds)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4944049d1b.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....48dc25e509.jpg |
maybe we could lease 4 of them....................
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Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 11513299)
Please let's drop this grammatical wrangling!
The ancient weather-guesser was making the pedantic point that a comparative adjective is appropriate where two items are under consideration, whereas the original article used a superlative. Back to discussions of the RN's brace of aircraft carriers now please! |
one and a half couple Back to RN ships - have there been any further COD proposals using the V-22 or similar? |
Photo essay: UK Carrier Strike Group completes first phase of 2023 deployment | Navy Lookout
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Wasn’t sure if this should be here or the European army thread - but since it’s about a ship…..
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/seni...craft-carrier/ Senior EU official pushes for European aircraft carrier As first reported by Joshua Posaner and Laura Kayali at Politico, EU Internal Market Commissioner, Thierry Breton, has stressed the importance of Europe bolstering its defence. His propositions include the creation of an aircraft carrier and a missile defense shield. During his speech at the European Defence and Security Conference, Breton accentuated the European Commission’s need to launch an “ambitious European defence investment program”. Amid anticipation for an imminent European defence industrial strategy, set to be unveiled on November 8, Breton advanced the conversation on the building of an aircraft carrier, a “Eurodome air defense system”, and a space-focused “European threat detection and identification capability”. Breton was quoted as saying, “With the return of high-intensity conflict on the European continent, we have no other choice,” while addressing defence industry magnates in Brussels. Germany previously wanted a European aircraft carrier Back in 2019, then-German Chancellor Angela Merkel endorsed the idea of a joint European aircraft carrier. The idea was suggested by her party’s leader, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer. “The next step could be to start on the symbolic project of building a common European aircraft carrier” to underline what the EU calls its global security role. Merkel said in March this year, according to Reuters, that “it’s right and good that we have such equipment on the European side, and I’m happy to work on it”. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11510325)
And UAV continue to dominate the battlespace….
Royal Navy's intention to put Heavy Lift drones on all ships; and the ability of said drones to deploy STINGRAY / its successor. It is a compelling vision. It answers need to deploy ASW torpedoes at relevant range (which ship tubes can't do) without using a MK41 cell for an ASROC. You've seen drones before, but not like this. In partnership with Malloy Aeronautics, we recently demonstrated the T-600 heavy lift, all-electric vertical take-off and landing (eVTOL) demonstrator aircraft, at a recent NATO event in Portugal. 👇 http://baes.co/8SJ050PQ5HM https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b1bba15433.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dbff750ab5.jpg |
🚨 JUST IN: The UK Ministry of Defence has placed the UK Carrier Strike group (including Europe’s most advanced aircraft carrier: HMS Queen Elizabeth) on alert for potential deployment to the Mediterranean.
Unsure if it will be deployed to the region but the UK fleet is cutting short a training exercise with the Norwegian Army. |
Not sure what deploying an underequipped UK carrier is going to add to the capabilities of the Ford and potentially Ike Politico Pro: U.S. may send second aircraft carrier toward Israel except flag the UK as another country that can't be an 'honest broker' in any de-escalation talks and that Rish! is hoping to be Biden's poodle.
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