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NutLoose 8th Sep 2023 12:33


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11499303)
Does it matter?

It did for the bug

Ninthace 8th Sep 2023 12:58

Perhaps one of the aims of the sortie was to get rid of a few bugs?

Video Mixdown 8th Sep 2023 13:02


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 11499327)
F1 cameras all have `rolling cleaners` on their cameras for `bug-cleaning`,even if it is `autonymous`,it should have a `manual` overide,to cover autopilot failure.....

I doubt whether the cameras used for these pictures have anything to do with control.

chevvron 8th Sep 2023 14:58


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11499297)
They took off again still with the insect/dot on the tail camera lens they had picked up on final?

They were hoping it would mask that area of paint peeling off and flapping about on the underside of the elevator.

Timelord 8th Sep 2023 15:44


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11499278)
According to their website:Windracers drones are uncrewed and fly autonomously, controlled by our advanced autopilot solution Masterless™. Masterless™ is an entirely new architecture that has been developed and patented by our sister company Distributed Avionics, providing best in class autopilot technology for drones in the world.

Distributed Avionics was founded by Windracers to design and build an affordable and extremely robust autopilot solution that adheres to our rigorous design philosophy.

Hmm, clever. I wonder how you program it to land on a moving runway?

Ninthace 8th Sep 2023 16:04


Originally Posted by Timelord (Post 11499411)
Hmm, clever. I wonder how you program it to land on a moving runway?

Tell it where the runway is?

Video Mixdown 8th Sep 2023 16:15


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11499418)
Tell it where the runway is?

Maybe some kind of ILS system at the required landing point. The UAV would just do whatever was necessary to arrive there.

chevvron 8th Sep 2023 16:49

It was a pretty ropey landing anyway. Became very unstable in the last few feet and after touchdown looked like it was going for the island until the brakes were jammed on hard..

SLXOwft 8th Sep 2023 17:36

Virtually clear deck, CAVOK, no wind, and pretty much flat calm. It's a start but it looks like there is a lot of development to do to move from looking at feasibility to an operational system. IMO it will require ship controlled landing once it closes with the ship/task group.

Ninthace 8th Sep 2023 17:55


Originally Posted by SLXOwft (Post 11499442)
Virtually clear deck, CAVOK, no wind, and pretty much flat calm. It's a start but it looks like there is a lot of development to do to move from looking at feasibility to an operational system. IMO it will require ship controlled landing once it closes with the ship/task group.

I believe the US has done it with much bigger and better systems. I cannot be beyond the wit of Jack to sort something out.

Originally Posted by SpazSinbad (Post 11159367)
MQ-25 Completes First U.S. Navy Carrier Tests [same as twatta video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFrzKILwfFg

Kinda knocks a twin prop parcel carrier into touch.

Expatrick 8th Sep 2023 18:41


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11499429)
It was a pretty ropey landing anyway. Became very unstable in the last few feet and after touchdown looked like it was going for the island until the brakes were jammed on hard..

Bit harsh - given its vision was obscured by an insect!

Lima Juliet 8th Sep 2023 20:58

To take off and land there is a human Pilot/Operator using a conventional radio control (see pics below). Only in transit does an autonomous autopilot take over. The problem is that this thing has no detect and avoid capability and so it has to have an airspace reservation to fly about.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....785c67f31.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....61b257528.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b6ccd1f95.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....eb1183d94.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3a0029aaf.jpeg

You are also going to have to clear all of your expensive proper aircraft off of the deck - can you imagine when this thing hits an £80M+ F35B!!!

Video Mixdown 8th Sep 2023 21:46


Originally Posted by Lima Juliet (Post 11499505)
To take off and land there is a human Pilot/Operator using a conventional radio control (see pics below). Only in transit does an autonomous autopilot take over. The problem is that this thing has no detect and avoid capability and so it has to have an airspace reservation to fly about. You are also going to have to clear all of your expensive proper aircraft off of the deck - can you imagine when this thing hits an £80M+ F35B!!!

Nobody is claiming that this is anything but a trial to show that such systems are feasible. I'd say they have done that.

Lima Juliet 8th Sep 2023 22:05

Video Mixdown - I’ll do it for you in a Cessna 172. I’ll carry more, go faster, be less of a risk to those on deck, probably be cheaper and won’t need an airspace reservation… :8

Asturias56 9th Sep 2023 07:11

But you will have to have it modded by BAe so it costs at least £ 10 mm a throw I'm afraid

falcon900 9th Sep 2023 09:01


Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 11499465)
Bit harsh - given its vision was obscured by an insect!

Something the designers couldn’t possibly have foreseen…. The enemy will already be developing deployable clouds of flies to protect themselves from this formidable tool.
All looks very Heath Robinson, and I am not sure that it proves anything which needs or is worth proving.

Asturias56 9th Sep 2023 09:35

well its cheaper than sending out a Helicopter with the pizzas...............

Compass Call 9th Sep 2023 10:07

I see the navy didn't trust it to land safely - had the deck cleared of men, machines & aircraft!!

CC

Asturias56 9th Sep 2023 16:45

Actually we don't have any but don't tell anyone..........................

PPRuNeUser0211 9th Sep 2023 18:24


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11499451)
I believe the US has done it with much bigger and better systems. I cannot be beyond the wit of Jack to sort something out.


Kinda knocks a twin prop parcel carrier into touch.

I mean, it's a lot cooler, but taxi testing doesn't count! Sure they'll get it cat and trapping soon enough though given they already have a functioning autoland system for crewed aircraft.


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