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But as you have pointed out these super-weapons are protecting China’s new carriers so they must be good and the carriers completely invulnerable.
I didn't call them super-weapons (they're one-up on the Type 730, itself equivalent to the early-80s Goalkeeper) nor did I assess their performance or claim they made the carrier invulnerable. (Not a whole hell of a lot of use against a torpedo, are they?) I do find the PLAN's continued evolution of gun-based CIWS quite interesting. |
After the retirement of JFH under the 2010 SDSR, the reversion to STOVL in 2012 and the Pentagon's IOC decision in 2013, the UK carrier program was largely paced by airplane availability.
Since the USMC and AF IOC configurations (2B and 3i respectively) are not being supported for partners, the first operational export configuration (with the exception of Israel as always) is a post-IOT&E 3F. |
One astute, will tidy up any Chinese carrier that fancy’s some proper blue water action
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Probably only bother using one Torp as well to save money
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Originally Posted by Frostchamber
(Post 10003981)
Yes, a good part of the delay was indeed added in deliberately by the politicians. By way of comparison, Typhoon was delivered in 2003, some 4.5 years late and IIRC it achieved limited IOC some four years after that. Concept work on what has evolved into the Type 26 frigate (now due in service in the mid 2020s) began in 1994. What became the Type 45 destroyer was originally envisaged as entering service around 2000 but actually entered service in 2009. Nimrod MRA4 was ordered in 1996 with a planned ISD of 2003. The project was binned in 2010 by which time the ISD had slipped to 2012. You could also have some fun looking at the tale of the army's armoured vehicle plans over the last 20 years or so. At least with the carriers we are now on the cusp of gaining a couple of highly capable and flexible assets, the biggest problem to have emerged with the first vessel being a dodgy propshaft seal.
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Originally Posted by glad rag
(Post 10004104)
And no aircraft of any substance to consolidate it's highly vaunted "strike" capability, and yes please try and convince us differently about an Apache with floatation bags. .
I might agree that things would ideally have moved a bit quicker but at least there's a plan that's currently on schedule to deliver. I wish we already had MPAs too but we are where we are. |
"t least there's a plan that's currently on schedule to deliver"
until next years defence cuts |
Plan? More like bluster and hot wind.
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The fact is there is indeed a clear plan that's currently in hand, however fervently you might wish that were not the case. So I'm afraid you've just described your own post :)
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I beg to differ.
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Ah well. I suspect the carriers will continue to polarise opinion, especially on here, and everyone will remain pretty much where they are, however much we huff and puff from our various perspectives. Such is the way with internet fora, and indeed life in general.
Even so, my probably forlorn hope is that with the money spent and the carriers entering service people just might be prepared to get behind them a bit. Even from a light blue perspective, there are surely opportunities - especially if newer generations join up in the jointery/carrier era (and perhaps even because of the carrier era) and aren't weighed down by a "I didn't join up to float around on a boat" mentality. For the record, I respect and understand all the various stances taken, even where I disagree with them. |
Can't ask for more than that frostchamber.
Good New Year to you. |
Happy New Year - this year will see jets on the deck of HMS Queen Elizabeth.
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rebranded as London Portsmouth Airport..................
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Originally Posted by glad rag
(Post 10005496)
Can't ask for more than that frostchamber.
Good New Year to you. |
I for one do not "intend to slip the surly bonds of earth" in 2018 unless I am sure of making it back......................
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
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I for one do not "intend to slip the surly bonds of earth" in 2018 unless I am sure of making it back......................
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David Niven might have got away with it in "Stairway to heaven" but I'm not as attractive nor as talented so I feel the Celestial Court might not grant me the return ticket back to the surly bonds of earth..............
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The US Marine Corps is deploying F-35B operationally aboard ship this year (just as AV-8Bs have been conducting ship based operations in current theatres for years).
New in 2018: F-35B baptism of fire - Marine Corps Times So will the "no aircraft for the carrier" types have the good grace to pipe down? Shipborne STOVL is well proven, carriers and other warships are proven, F-35B is being proven. |
Which as one of the main players in the development costs etc, it makes you wonder why ours are so far off when the likes of Israel have theirs operational and in squadron use.
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