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Afraid not. Went for a walk round the static when they were on. Thought I'd get them the next day in the air, forgetting that they also leave shows on Sunday morning to go home!
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LOMCEVAK,
I take it from your thread that you are in some way remotely associated with the said airshow and particularly the flying display??
If that's so, and you genuingly want constructive critisism, let me ask you this.......
considering nearly every past IAT/RIAT - do you think the flying display was good? I would suggest to you that it was not Sir!
Big gaps, no flow, nothing like to £7.00 brochure blah. I know you cannot guarantee the brochure, but sunday was nothing like as was advertised.
I'm sorry, it was not good, and whilst in the overall scheme of things it might not accurately have been poor, for a RIAT I'm afraid IT WAS VERY POOR.
The Swinging Monkey
I take it from your thread that you are in some way remotely associated with the said airshow and particularly the flying display??
If that's so, and you genuingly want constructive critisism, let me ask you this.......
considering nearly every past IAT/RIAT - do you think the flying display was good? I would suggest to you that it was not Sir!
Big gaps, no flow, nothing like to £7.00 brochure blah. I know you cannot guarantee the brochure, but sunday was nothing like as was advertised.
I'm sorry, it was not good, and whilst in the overall scheme of things it might not accurately have been poor, for a RIAT I'm afraid IT WAS VERY POOR.
The Swinging Monkey
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TSM
Hey Mr Aviator - why not donate your free time and obvious expertise in all things airborne to the show and make things better.
After all - the many civilian volunteers like me are only trying to increase the money in YOUR fund. I would guess that up to 50% of the volunteers will never benefit from the fund whereas you may.
However - an applicant really does need a "can-do" attitude and that is probably not in you I am sad to say.
To sum: It wasn't a vintage perfomance but it was by no means a bad one.
Hey Mr Aviator - why not donate your free time and obvious expertise in all things airborne to the show and make things better.
After all - the many civilian volunteers like me are only trying to increase the money in YOUR fund. I would guess that up to 50% of the volunteers will never benefit from the fund whereas you may.
However - an applicant really does need a "can-do" attitude and that is probably not in you I am sad to say.
To sum: It wasn't a vintage perfomance but it was by no means a bad one.
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Can you do Better?
Bright-Ling
As a now civilian, ex-mil volunteer , your words have meaning and force. Those that can't...........teach.
TSM and all those others that are happy to criticise, which of course, you are all more than entitled to do; there is more to an airshow than just turning up. There is no denying though that some things need to be done differently; I for one would not put te flying display in the programme. Why not come and join the team and make a difference.
Or is it easier from where you are...........? ;-)
As a now civilian, ex-mil volunteer , your words have meaning and force. Those that can't...........teach.
TSM and all those others that are happy to criticise, which of course, you are all more than entitled to do; there is more to an airshow than just turning up. There is no denying though that some things need to be done differently; I for one would not put te flying display in the programme. Why not come and join the team and make a difference.
Or is it easier from where you are...........? ;-)
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As I stated in an earlier post on this thread, the 'volunteer' argument is always trotted out when anyone has the audacity to criticise RIAT.
If you want to make a real difference as a volunteer, why not join the RAuxAF which is always on the lookout for new recruits. You'll make a much bigger difference to the welfare of those serving I would suggest by guarding a gate in Basra than selling programmes at Fairford.
Reg
If you want to make a real difference as a volunteer, why not join the RAuxAF which is always on the lookout for new recruits. You'll make a much bigger difference to the welfare of those serving I would suggest by guarding a gate in Basra than selling programmes at Fairford.
Reg
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Its interesting to note the many comments about this years RIAT, as a 19 year veteran volunteer I thought this years static was really very good, but they (PAUL & TIM) certainly missed the trick with the flying display, 100 years of Flight was the main theme (sorry Kipper Fleet Chaps) but the flying was mostly metal, where were the Bi-planes, BBMF, Hunters and Gnats, and the show should have closed most certainly with the Typhoon (which was bloody good I might add).
And why did the lords and masters stop the squadrons sending their marked up jets, I heard from many a source that a 3 line whip was enforced to stop them sending these types of jets, (although it didnt stop 39) It shows complete fear of Blair and his cronies by the current top brass.
My only real adverse comment on the show, just how did the REDs and the F117 formation get the best overall flying demonstration prize, was it for completing the undoubted mountain of paperwork, it was just a formation flypast for gods sake.
And why did the lords and masters stop the squadrons sending their marked up jets, I heard from many a source that a 3 line whip was enforced to stop them sending these types of jets, (although it didnt stop 39) It shows complete fear of Blair and his cronies by the current top brass.
My only real adverse comment on the show, just how did the REDs and the F117 formation get the best overall flying demonstration prize, was it for completing the undoubted mountain of paperwork, it was just a formation flypast for gods sake.
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I and no doubt the Directorship of RIAT have no problem with constructive criticism.
Regie
Please don't start the RAUXAF debate on this thread - that could be started on another! BUT I have done a year longer with RIAT than I have with the Oggies. I was kinda "forced" to resign my Commission - as a Jnr Off's pay simply wouldn't pay my mortgage and I would undoubtedly been the first to go on my Squadron. As much as I loved my time there, losing my house to stand with a gat in Basra simply ain't worth it.
Back to the thread..........!
Bluetail
I agree - it wasn't a bad dispaly - if you like tornados! But I must admit I expected some kind of finale within the 100yr theme.
Regie
Please don't start the RAUXAF debate on this thread - that could be started on another! BUT I have done a year longer with RIAT than I have with the Oggies. I was kinda "forced" to resign my Commission - as a Jnr Off's pay simply wouldn't pay my mortgage and I would undoubtedly been the first to go on my Squadron. As much as I loved my time there, losing my house to stand with a gat in Basra simply ain't worth it.
Back to the thread..........!
Bluetail
I agree - it wasn't a bad dispaly - if you like tornados! But I must admit I expected some kind of finale within the 100yr theme.
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Mr Bright Thing,
I certainly don't claim to be an expert in all things airborne - but after 32 years of flying mainly 'heavies' I do know just a incy weenie little bit! And as for having a 'can do' attitude eh? ho ho!
The fact is that you, and most of your IAT volunteers are unable to take any form of criticism arn't you? You hate it, and anyone who complains in the slightest, you jump on.
I have been to IAT lots of times over the past 30+ years. As aircrew its NOT GOOD. We give up our weekend (just like you I know) get bussed around till 'kingdom come' get 'ripped off' with the prices! yes, this year the food in the aircrew tent was MORE expensive than for Joe Public! and generally get treated like 2nd class citizens.
If you don't believe me, just ask the guys from the kipper fleet, or the truckie fleet, or infact any RAF aircrew. If they're honest (and not some 18 yr old spog) then they will tell you the same story.
And do try not to take everything so personally. No one doubts or questions the loyalty and commitment of the volunteers. The complaints are aimed at those at the top of RIAT. By your own admission it wasn't vintage. Well, thats an understatement, especially as it's RIAT, sopposedly the 'Biggest military airshow in the world' and for that reason, it wasn't good.
As for joining the team - I couldn't stand the frustration of watching that wheel being re-invented every year. IAT takes no notice of senior serving officers, what makes you think they will take any notice of a retired one??
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The Swinging Monkey
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I certainly don't claim to be an expert in all things airborne - but after 32 years of flying mainly 'heavies' I do know just a incy weenie little bit! And as for having a 'can do' attitude eh? ho ho!
The fact is that you, and most of your IAT volunteers are unable to take any form of criticism arn't you? You hate it, and anyone who complains in the slightest, you jump on.
I have been to IAT lots of times over the past 30+ years. As aircrew its NOT GOOD. We give up our weekend (just like you I know) get bussed around till 'kingdom come' get 'ripped off' with the prices! yes, this year the food in the aircrew tent was MORE expensive than for Joe Public! and generally get treated like 2nd class citizens.
If you don't believe me, just ask the guys from the kipper fleet, or the truckie fleet, or infact any RAF aircrew. If they're honest (and not some 18 yr old spog) then they will tell you the same story.
And do try not to take everything so personally. No one doubts or questions the loyalty and commitment of the volunteers. The complaints are aimed at those at the top of RIAT. By your own admission it wasn't vintage. Well, thats an understatement, especially as it's RIAT, sopposedly the 'Biggest military airshow in the world' and for that reason, it wasn't good.
As for joining the team - I couldn't stand the frustration of watching that wheel being re-invented every year. IAT takes no notice of senior serving officers, what makes you think they will take any notice of a retired one??
Kind regards
The Swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, send Bright-Ling a large Grouse to calm him down!'
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The Swinging Monkey…
It’s funny how that Bright thing (probably not so bright though!) suggests you join up to show then how it should be done! Bright thing? Have you been to the Waddington air show before? I suggest you go some time, then you’ll see how an air show should be run! And indeed what a bonus it can be to have a swinging monkey on your side!
The problem with RIAT is that they just don’t take notice of what people are saying. It can’t be said that this year was a great show… The 100 years of flight was very good, and I accept that there aren’t many other places in the world where you will see that much hard wear in one place. But what happened to the big show stoppers. Russian bears, SU27’s static B2’s Backfires… It was all good stuff, but nothing to make you too excited. And then there’s just all the hassle that goes with RIAT. Security searches, no toilets, bla bla bla the list goes on.
RIAT… take note of this. Mr and Mrs Bloggs are starting to show their frustration.
It’s funny how that Bright thing (probably not so bright though!) suggests you join up to show then how it should be done! Bright thing? Have you been to the Waddington air show before? I suggest you go some time, then you’ll see how an air show should be run! And indeed what a bonus it can be to have a swinging monkey on your side!
The problem with RIAT is that they just don’t take notice of what people are saying. It can’t be said that this year was a great show… The 100 years of flight was very good, and I accept that there aren’t many other places in the world where you will see that much hard wear in one place. But what happened to the big show stoppers. Russian bears, SU27’s static B2’s Backfires… It was all good stuff, but nothing to make you too excited. And then there’s just all the hassle that goes with RIAT. Security searches, no toilets, bla bla bla the list goes on.
RIAT… take note of this. Mr and Mrs Bloggs are starting to show their frustration.
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Bluetail - the presence of Tornados bearing nose-art would not have made a blind bit of difference to the non-enthusiast attendee at the show. It certainly made no difference to the flying display, the treatment of aircrew etc.
Bright Lung - I went on Telic, got paid full civilian salary despite lower junior officer pay, and did the job I signed up for. Oh, and photographed a lot of the nose-art on the Tornados!
Reg
Bright Lung - I went on Telic, got paid full civilian salary despite lower junior officer pay, and did the job I signed up for. Oh, and photographed a lot of the nose-art on the Tornados!
Reg
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Fading light, sorry, I mean bright thing, I guess by the ‘ops room bit’ you mean something to do with RIAT? Exactly, your point just emphasises our frustrations. Your givatoss ometer is hardily reading anything (you and RIAT obviously ont give a toss), and you all laugh in the ops room at people comments and suggestions. No wonder RIAT has entered that slippery slope! You cant go on relying on past performances… you have to give the public what they want.
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A dilbert.,.. haa haa. That one really did make me laugh!
Guess what everyone… The grob Driver is a dilbert!
Oh dull thing, sorry, bright thing, get a life… Dilbert!
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Sir Dilbert the grob driver
Guess what everyone… The grob Driver is a dilbert!
Oh dull thing, sorry, bright thing, get a life… Dilbert!
signed...
Sir Dilbert the grob driver
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Come on lads, get a room
I hear the RIAT mob have said "The feedback from the public is that this year’s show is one of the best ever, and with the Red Arrows’ unique flypast with the F-117 and the majestic 100 Years of Flight presentation it is not difficult to see why."
(my emphasis)
No comment!
I hear the RIAT mob have said "The feedback from the public is that this year’s show is one of the best ever, and with the Red Arrows’ unique flypast with the F-117 and the majestic 100 Years of Flight presentation it is not difficult to see why."
(my emphasis)
No comment!
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Bright thing, no it’s not really too annoying that you claim to know who I am although if it’s true then obviously, it causes a certain amount of curiosity as to who you may be! Personally, I’m not sure if you do know who I am though. Maybe you do… You wouldn’t be the first person to know me, and I certainly hope you won’t be the last! Are we ‘friends’ or you “Know me”? How is that you know who I am?
Damien, the Red Arrows / F117 flypast was very nice to see but in my eyes (Not fact this… Only my opinion) it takes more than 1 flypast to make a good show!
Cheers
Dilbert Grob Driver
Damien, the Red Arrows / F117 flypast was very nice to see but in my eyes (Not fact this… Only my opinion) it takes more than 1 flypast to make a good show!
Cheers
Dilbert Grob Driver
