Comments On Fairford 2003
Champagne anyone...?
No Utt Butts for me..........
Maybe it was just my technique then.......
Didn't get any photos as evidence I'm afraid although I have a vague memory of one young lady becoming slightly embarrased and shy during a tattoo application.
Apparently her husband had just arrived and didn't approve of tattoos being placed on that particular region of his wife....
Didn't get any photos as evidence I'm afraid although I have a vague memory of one young lady becoming slightly embarrased and shy during a tattoo application.
Apparently her husband had just arrived and didn't approve of tattoos being placed on that particular region of his wife....
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Actually it was PaulE who got the award, PL just put on the stupid trousers at Survivors. PE got a 5 minute standing ovation and the rest of us just got completely wasted.
As for pictures, catch the RIAT Engineers WEB SITE..if you know the URL, there are some beauties from 2002, and some even better ones this year......
As for technique....just watch the engineers in action..its very basic but straight to the point(s)
Actually it was PaulE who got the award, PL just put on the stupid trousers at Survivors. PE got a 5 minute standing ovation and the rest of us just got completely wasted.
As for pictures, catch the RIAT Engineers WEB SITE..if you know the URL, there are some beauties from 2002, and some even better ones this year......
As for technique....just watch the engineers in action..its very basic but straight to the point(s)
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Honest question.
For those mentioning Waddo v RIAT overheads, do Waddo actually pay for any aircraft to attend?
I don't mean hotels etc, I mean actually pay for the aircraft's appearance.
The reply may be enlightening.
bluetail
19 years is a long time! Seems like only yesterday though doesn't it?
AlanM
Missed you for that pint this year, maybe 2004. You also owe bluetail a few, he was up very late on the
fri night/sat morning being a "prime mover" if you get my drift.
If you don't have the RIAT Eng URL let me know and I'll send you a PM.
For those mentioning Waddo v RIAT overheads, do Waddo actually pay for any aircraft to attend?
I don't mean hotels etc, I mean actually pay for the aircraft's appearance.
The reply may be enlightening.
bluetail
19 years is a long time! Seems like only yesterday though doesn't it?
AlanM
Missed you for that pint this year, maybe 2004. You also owe bluetail a few, he was up very late on the
fri night/sat morning being a "prime mover" if you get my drift.
If you don't have the RIAT Eng URL let me know and I'll send you a PM.
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RAF4
are we known to each other????????
The RAF might well have to pay for other units jets to take part in a show, I was involved in trying to put a PHOTOcall together at ICE STATION KILO a few years ago, one issue was Budgets, mostly fuel and accomadation and who pays, obviously we tried to get most to stay on base but still ran into issues
Might generate a few interesting threads though.
are we known to each other????????
The RAF might well have to pay for other units jets to take part in a show, I was involved in trying to put a PHOTOcall together at ICE STATION KILO a few years ago, one issue was Budgets, mostly fuel and accomadation and who pays, obviously we tried to get most to stay on base but still ran into issues
Might generate a few interesting threads though.
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Ah bluetail
We've known each other since way before that infamous first
1985 show.
Did you keep the Survivor's napkin as a momento????
On the "who pays for what" I meant actually paying for the
aircraft to attend, not the fuel, accom, transport etc.
I believe RIAT have but I may be wrong. Can anybody at RIAT
either confirm or deny? Just a thought!
We've known each other since way before that infamous first
1985 show.
Did you keep the Survivor's napkin as a momento????
On the "who pays for what" I meant actually paying for the
aircraft to attend, not the fuel, accom, transport etc.
I believe RIAT have but I may be wrong. Can anybody at RIAT
either confirm or deny? Just a thought!
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RAF4
I had a private message from you.......but no content
Come on then send me a proper mail
Continuing your thread, it may actually be true, for oversea,s airforces (Russians etc, but I beleive they now want to much hence none appearance this year)
I had a private message from you.......but no content
Come on then send me a proper mail
Continuing your thread, it may actually be true, for oversea,s airforces (Russians etc, but I beleive they now want to much hence none appearance this year)
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Boys
TO those that I owe
MORE beer to..... sorry! There's always next year!!!! (Mail me before hand and you will not be forgotten!)
Grwat website - the big push for Friday afternoon and night is never forgotten. Glad at least you guys were rewarded this year with an award. Nice one.
As for that PL one - shocking trousers. Glad he got promoted before donning those pants!! what are the Air Force Board up to!???????? (only joking me old)
Take care guys and girls from eng and fuels. You do work hard, you are volunteers and despite the whinges here you do make a difference. But you know that.
AM
TO those that I owe
MORE beer to..... sorry! There's always next year!!!! (Mail me before hand and you will not be forgotten!)
Grwat website - the big push for Friday afternoon and night is never forgotten. Glad at least you guys were rewarded this year with an award. Nice one.
As for that PL one - shocking trousers. Glad he got promoted before donning those pants!! what are the Air Force Board up to!???????? (only joking me old)
Take care guys and girls from eng and fuels. You do work hard, you are volunteers and despite the whinges here you do make a difference. But you know that.
AM
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Now I know why we never got our extra Beer Chits and bottles of wine on Friday night,
We asked,,, and got back the martian stare. But thank the hangar guys anyway, I dont think I trashed the carpet,
Will there be a next year?????
Air Defence 2004 (or whatever its going to be called) will be a nightmare...talk about re-inventing the wheel,
Still at least the volunteers will know which bit to stay away from.
We asked,,, and got back the martian stare. But thank the hangar guys anyway, I dont think I trashed the carpet,
Will there be a next year?????
Air Defence 2004 (or whatever its going to be called) will be a nightmare...talk about re-inventing the wheel,
Still at least the volunteers will know which bit to stay away from.
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WHO PAYS WHAT?
To try and answer raf4's question about payment, with one noticeable exception, RIAT pay for the aircrew and support elements accomodation, fuel for some nations and also for the aircraft participation both static and display. This also includes all British military aircrat. At the end of the season, RIAT will get a bill from STC for all the display acts and the statics that took part. Some countries, noticeably the Russians, ask for an extortionate fee, in the 10s of thousands, which as bluetail correctly suggests, remains the reason why they seldom come over. The one notable exception to all this are the Americans who pay all their own bills.
The Porge
remains hot and dusty
The Porge
remains hot and dusty
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Like some of the others we have been attending (R)IAT for many yeasr and I cant remember it being so quiet before. I really miss the opportunity to photograph all those pushchairs, almost obscured by the pesky aircraft.
RIAT have always compared themselves to other family days out and guess this is what finally happens when you ignore enthusiasts. We always go to airshows and RIAT's are now THE event, a kind of airshow globalisation. We have to go because so many other excellent airshows have fallen by the wayside.
The General Public on the other hand can go to Alton Towers or Legoland or whatever. I understand the reason for the increased security but if I had four kids in tow and the choice between going straight to the candy floss or queuing for an hour to get an anal probe and see some jets I dont know the name of and all look the same, I'd pick Alton Towers too.
I read a very good review of RIAT 2001 which gave good and bad points to which the RIAT reply was "the majority enjoyed the show" and ignored the negative comments. The majority dont send in comments so dismissing the negatives out of hand shows a hefty arrogance on someones part.
Volunteers, as ever, keep the whole thing together and thanks as always to them.
RIAT have always compared themselves to other family days out and guess this is what finally happens when you ignore enthusiasts. We always go to airshows and RIAT's are now THE event, a kind of airshow globalisation. We have to go because so many other excellent airshows have fallen by the wayside.
The General Public on the other hand can go to Alton Towers or Legoland or whatever. I understand the reason for the increased security but if I had four kids in tow and the choice between going straight to the candy floss or queuing for an hour to get an anal probe and see some jets I dont know the name of and all look the same, I'd pick Alton Towers too.
I read a very good review of RIAT 2001 which gave good and bad points to which the RIAT reply was "the majority enjoyed the show" and ignored the negative comments. The majority dont send in comments so dismissing the negatives out of hand shows a hefty arrogance on someones part.
Volunteers, as ever, keep the whole thing together and thanks as always to them.
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I got an interesting Thank you Card from RIAT in the post this morning, contained within it was a flyer stating that cost cutting measures were to happen due to the decrease in numbers attending this years show,
The Christmas Card has gone, as has the "Fairford Focus" that,ll save alot (not)
This I think sums up the concern at DB House that all is not well with RIAT, It will be interesting to see the donation figures to the RAFBF, What concerns me is that they (IAT) appear to be blaming everything else but themselves,
nothing has changed then
The Christmas Card has gone, as has the "Fairford Focus" that,ll save alot (not)
This I think sums up the concern at DB House that all is not well with RIAT, It will be interesting to see the donation figures to the RAFBF, What concerns me is that they (IAT) appear to be blaming everything else but themselves,
nothing has changed then
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Nuff Respect
bluetail,
I await the washup's with interest. However, you'll recall from Survivors that no mention was made of cost; almost circumspect I think. Cost cutting started already - have you forgotten the size of our cars.
Got a great pic of you and the boys in you gaff - thanks again for the hospitality, the crack and the camaraderie. BTW - I was in tears too when PE went up.
Porge
Dude - thought more about JB's offer? Stay away from the light.
....the key to success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made.
I await the washup's with interest. However, you'll recall from Survivors that no mention was made of cost; almost circumspect I think. Cost cutting started already - have you forgotten the size of our cars.
Got a great pic of you and the boys in you gaff - thanks again for the hospitality, the crack and the camaraderie. BTW - I was in tears too when PE went up.
Porge
Dude - thought more about JB's offer? Stay away from the light.
....the key to success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made.
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Send me a copy of the pic and I,ll get it on the WEB SITE (engineers that is). There are some blinders to go on already , one more will be great
Send me a personal from here and I,ll pick it up at work. and i,ll pass on the URL for the site if you dont know it.
As for vehicles, No Jags, VOLVO,s due to lack of Corporate etc , but we had plenty of military, times are a changing, has the slippery slope got steeper.
One final thing, I was talking with the crew from Ice Station Kilo, although they enjoyed the show, they heard lots of bitching and such...............
Old age and experience beats youth and exhuberance EVERY time
Send me a copy of the pic and I,ll get it on the WEB SITE (engineers that is). There are some blinders to go on already , one more will be great
Send me a personal from here and I,ll pick it up at work. and i,ll pass on the URL for the site if you dont know it.
As for vehicles, No Jags, VOLVO,s due to lack of Corporate etc , but we had plenty of military, times are a changing, has the slippery slope got steeper.
One final thing, I was talking with the crew from Ice Station Kilo, although they enjoyed the show, they heard lots of bitching and such...............
Old age and experience beats youth and exhuberance EVERY time
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Pics and Beaching
Bluetail
I (think I) just sent you an e-mail. Failing that, will try again tonite (or you could send me a PM).
As regards the crews beaching, there are always many, although this year was up (and in a lot of cases, fair).
We got the water and beer sorted though!!
I (think I) just sent you an e-mail. Failing that, will try again tonite (or you could send me a PM).
As regards the crews beaching, there are always many, although this year was up (and in a lot of cases, fair).
We got the water and beer sorted though!!
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To be honest, I had forgotten the conversation I had with JB, along with most other things after 2300 hrs that night!! I'll see if it ever comes up again before I worry about it, I think that the Powers may have their own thoughts anyway
Delighted to hear about the Spirit award. If you are in touch with PE pass on my best and that I was sorry to miss him getting the award. As for PLs trousers, you should have had to live with him in a Mess
The only light I am trying to find right now is the one at the end of the tunnel out of here!!!!!!
The Porge
To be honest, I had forgotten the conversation I had with JB, along with most other things after 2300 hrs that night!! I'll see if it ever comes up again before I worry about it, I think that the Powers may have their own thoughts anyway
Delighted to hear about the Spirit award. If you are in touch with PE pass on my best and that I was sorry to miss him getting the award. As for PLs trousers, you should have had to live with him in a Mess
The only light I am trying to find right now is the one at the end of the tunnel out of here!!!!!!
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I,ve seen some attendance numbers published in one of the latest Aviation Mags for the show.
SATURDAY 70K
SUNDAY 80K
That makes a total of 150K over the weekend, now that's really going to hurt because I reckon (as did the mag) that is a good 40/50% down in numbers.
I must admit though there seemed a much larger crowd on the Sunday, but who am I to comment. The mag commented that even though it was a pretty good show, and all previous traffic and access problems appeared solved they thought the security issues from 2002 was the big crippler, and not the British GP and Open Golf, bearing in mind the British GP has been held on the same weekend many times in the past and to a certain extent so has the golf.
I await Paul & Tims regular Press releases with interest.
SATURDAY 70K
SUNDAY 80K
That makes a total of 150K over the weekend, now that's really going to hurt because I reckon (as did the mag) that is a good 40/50% down in numbers.
I must admit though there seemed a much larger crowd on the Sunday, but who am I to comment. The mag commented that even though it was a pretty good show, and all previous traffic and access problems appeared solved they thought the security issues from 2002 was the big crippler, and not the British GP and Open Golf, bearing in mind the British GP has been held on the same weekend many times in the past and to a certain extent so has the golf.
I await Paul & Tims regular Press releases with interest.
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Having monitored and contributed to this thread over the past few weeks I take the following view:
1 Is RIAT a good day out? Yes
2 Is it expensive? The entrance fee is not in my view but the sundry other items are. The key is to take your own tucker, don't buy a programme and don't go on a photobus (which gave a poor return this year).
3 Value for money? Yes
4 Was this year the best? No way, but that's testament to the great shows in the past and everything looks good in hindsight anyways.
5 Do the volunteers do a good job? Yep
6 Do they give a surprisingly small contribution to the RAFBE? Yep
7 Will I miss it if it's gone? Absolutely
8 Can it be improved? Yes, but that's easy for me to say.
9 Will I go next year? Yep
10 What one thing would I change? To have some transparency from the RIAT organisers about why the charity donation is so small.
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1 Is RIAT a good day out? Yes
2 Is it expensive? The entrance fee is not in my view but the sundry other items are. The key is to take your own tucker, don't buy a programme and don't go on a photobus (which gave a poor return this year).
3 Value for money? Yes
4 Was this year the best? No way, but that's testament to the great shows in the past and everything looks good in hindsight anyways.
5 Do the volunteers do a good job? Yep
6 Do they give a surprisingly small contribution to the RAFBE? Yep
7 Will I miss it if it's gone? Absolutely
8 Can it be improved? Yes, but that's easy for me to say.
9 Will I go next year? Yep
10 What one thing would I change? To have some transparency from the RIAT organisers about why the charity donation is so small.
Reg (who is known to others)