Kipper fleet macho, chauvinist and tribal
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Kipper fleet macho, chauvinist and tribal
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AN RAF pilot who has accused the Ministry of Defence of sex discrimination says that a top-ranking commander described women air crew as having “lumps in the wrong places”.
The remark, referring to women’s supposed difficulties in sitting in a cockpit, was condemned by counsel for the Ministry of Defence during an employment tribunal brought by a former Nimrod pilot. “The RAF disassociates itself from the comment,” David Barr, for the MoD, told the hearing in Central London.
Air Marshal Sir John Harris, now retired, a former commander of No 18 Group at RAF Strike Command in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, was alleged to have made the remark during a squadron anniversary event. “It was communicated at the highest level to Harris that these comments were not welcome,” Mr Barr said. One of the women attending was given a bunch of flowers “to show that these feelings were not shared by others”.
However, Mr Barr told the tribunal that it would be unfair to draw inferences about sex discrimination in the RAF on the basis of comments from one officer. The former pilot, a 30-year-old flight lieutenant identified as Mrs A, claims she was driven out by a culture of sexism and harrassment. She claims that she was asked by a commanding officer which colleagues she was going to sleep with, as there was “a large price on her head”.
She also claims the captain of her Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft flew low over a cruise ship so that male crew members could photograph topless women on the deck.
Mrs A, who became pregnant by a married high-ranking officer 20 years her senior, claims that colleagues at RAF Kinloss were “macho, chauvinist and almost tribal”. After returning from maternity leave Mrs A claims that although she was qualified to fly Nimrods she was only offered a job flying VC10s, which would have meant her serving overseas. She refused because she wanted to be with her baby. She took voluntary retirement in May 2001. The MoD rejects her claims.
AN RAF pilot who has accused the Ministry of Defence of sex discrimination says that a top-ranking commander described women air crew as having “lumps in the wrong places”.
The remark, referring to women’s supposed difficulties in sitting in a cockpit, was condemned by counsel for the Ministry of Defence during an employment tribunal brought by a former Nimrod pilot. “The RAF disassociates itself from the comment,” David Barr, for the MoD, told the hearing in Central London.
Air Marshal Sir John Harris, now retired, a former commander of No 18 Group at RAF Strike Command in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, was alleged to have made the remark during a squadron anniversary event. “It was communicated at the highest level to Harris that these comments were not welcome,” Mr Barr said. One of the women attending was given a bunch of flowers “to show that these feelings were not shared by others”.
However, Mr Barr told the tribunal that it would be unfair to draw inferences about sex discrimination in the RAF on the basis of comments from one officer. The former pilot, a 30-year-old flight lieutenant identified as Mrs A, claims she was driven out by a culture of sexism and harrassment. She claims that she was asked by a commanding officer which colleagues she was going to sleep with, as there was “a large price on her head”.
She also claims the captain of her Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft flew low over a cruise ship so that male crew members could photograph topless women on the deck.
Mrs A, who became pregnant by a married high-ranking officer 20 years her senior, claims that colleagues at RAF Kinloss were “macho, chauvinist and almost tribal”. After returning from maternity leave Mrs A claims that although she was qualified to fly Nimrods she was only offered a job flying VC10s, which would have meant her serving overseas. She refused because she wanted to be with her baby. She took voluntary retirement in May 2001. The MoD rejects her claims.
The sad thing for us all, is that this will probably turn out like all the other compo cases the MOD has handled in the past:
Like the women who sued for being thrown out when pregnant (even though they knew the score from the start), and the Cranwell cadet who tripped while marching in high heels.
I can see this women getting thousands, after the millions she has already cost the RAF!
Like the women who sued for being thrown out when pregnant (even though they knew the score from the start), and the Cranwell cadet who tripped while marching in high heels.
I can see this women getting thousands, after the millions she has already cost the RAF!
Champagne anyone...?
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Lordy.
I do hope the "married senior officer" managed to claim the bounty....
I'm discriminated against. I've got lumps in the wrong places too although that's mostly down to the pies.
Whom do I sue? Is it the MoD for giving me in-flight or Messrs Ginsters & Son (Purveyors of Fine Meaty Goods to the Royal Household) for making such interesting pies?
Surely I can sue someone for something?
I was good enough to fly the Eurofighter in all but ability. I have been horribly wronged.
What about the mental scarring? The flying suits make my bum look big. As do the trousers. And nudity in fact.........
As for the overseas business.....I've been there once or twice...called England isn't it? Frightful. She's got the right idea.
In fact, I'd heard they were selling off all the Mk5 C130Js to pay her off. etc etc.
Jolly good luck to her.
Ftang ftang olé biscuit barrel......
I do hope the "married senior officer" managed to claim the bounty....
I'm discriminated against. I've got lumps in the wrong places too although that's mostly down to the pies.
Whom do I sue? Is it the MoD for giving me in-flight or Messrs Ginsters & Son (Purveyors of Fine Meaty Goods to the Royal Household) for making such interesting pies?
Surely I can sue someone for something?
I was good enough to fly the Eurofighter in all but ability. I have been horribly wronged.
What about the mental scarring? The flying suits make my bum look big. As do the trousers. And nudity in fact.........
As for the overseas business.....I've been there once or twice...called England isn't it? Frightful. She's got the right idea.
In fact, I'd heard they were selling off all the Mk5 C130Js to pay her off. etc etc.
Jolly good luck to her.
Ftang ftang olé biscuit barrel......
It is a shame when some woman wrecks the generally good name which the huge majority of female aircrew have by behaving in this way. The Kipper Fleet is not known for suffering fools gladly; clearly this woman didn't make many friends (well, perhaps just the one...) and somehow I can't believe that to have been the fault of the rest of the Kipper Fleet.
Remove first the plank from thine own eye, woman.
...and I'm sure that the VC10 wing is sooooooooooooo sorry that you couldn't accept a job with them because that would have kept you away from your self-inflicted feeding and wiping duties.
Remove first the plank from thine own eye, woman.
...and I'm sure that the VC10 wing is sooooooooooooo sorry that you couldn't accept a job with them because that would have kept you away from your self-inflicted feeding and wiping duties.
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Question: When is the boyfirend going to face his court martial for adultery and did Mrs A ever face similar charges?
If the answer to both is "never", then shut up, sod off and grow up.
Thank God that she was not a lesbian from the Ethnic Minorities - the leagl bill could have wiped out a whole Sqn of Typhoons!
If the answer to both is "never", then shut up, sod off and grow up.
Thank God that she was not a lesbian from the Ethnic Minorities - the leagl bill could have wiped out a whole Sqn of Typhoons!
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This is exactly the reason I left the Women’s Auxiliary Balloon Corp, as for the charges levelled guilty and so so much more fun was had. I see no complaint about the special sauce she mentioned.
It is disappointing to see this has finally made the headlines again as there are several very good girls who did a very good job getting me into trouble on Kippers, anyhow we have had tarts on the Flt deck for years it is nothing new!
It is disappointing to see this has finally made the headlines again as there are several very good girls who did a very good job getting me into trouble on Kippers, anyhow we have had tarts on the Flt deck for years it is nothing new!
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I do believe that 'special sauce' was one of the many entries made in the certain female's diary (I'm sorry, I tried to refer to her as a lady, but I just can't seem to!). In fact I understand she recorded so many things that she had to scrap her week-to-a-view diary and buy an hour-to-a-view one 
Thank God the Kipper Fleet has plenty of other wonderful ladies serving that seem to accept that they joined a fighting force that has banter and regular overseas deployments and are willing to join in fully. A very small number of comments may be uncalled for, but the vast majority are pure good humoured banter and are directed at all and sundry, regardless of sex.
MadMark!!!
Thank God the Kipper Fleet has plenty of other wonderful ladies serving that seem to accept that they joined a fighting force that has banter and regular overseas deployments and are willing to join in fully. A very small number of comments may be uncalled for, but the vast majority are pure good humoured banter and are directed at all and sundry, regardless of sex.
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KIN good news
colleagues at RAF Kinloss were “macho, chauvinist and almost tribal”.
Well that's just dandy........sounds like a well disciplined fighting force to me.
which would have meant her serving overseas. She refused because she wanted to be with her baby
"refused"......bloody terrific. I wonder if she refused any detachments to drop things from the bomb-bay ?
Having married before I reached the age of 25 I was not allowed a 'married quarter' - perhaps I can sue in retrospect for the damage it has caused..........or maybe being seperated from my young family when the beastly RAF sent me overseas on detachment for months.
Having "been there, done that" this women did not deserve the company she kept.
It's a shame she has tarnished other fine woman pilots.
TG
Well that's just dandy........sounds like a well disciplined fighting force to me.
which would have meant her serving overseas. She refused because she wanted to be with her baby
"refused"......bloody terrific. I wonder if she refused any detachments to drop things from the bomb-bay ?
Having married before I reached the age of 25 I was not allowed a 'married quarter' - perhaps I can sue in retrospect for the damage it has caused..........or maybe being seperated from my young family when the beastly RAF sent me overseas on detachment for months.
Having "been there, done that" this women did not deserve the company she kept.
It's a shame she has tarnished other fine woman pilots.
TG
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You can have her back anytime, JimNich. We'll even pay the postage....
Apparently she wants to be the next Secretary General of the UN, which really says it all about the stupid bch
Apparently she wants to be the next Secretary General of the UN, which really says it all about the stupid b
ch