BAE Systems Hawk Replacement?

[typerated]

They wanted much higher performance than the air trainer. Not many side by side options.

[DuckDodgers]

Originally Posted by typerated

They wanted much higher performance than the air trainer. Not many side by side options.

And I come back to the point of has it affected the output and input standard just because the instructor isn’t adjacent to you? There’s not a right or wrong answer, the output is what matters, and I suspect with CBL / CBTA it becomes even more moot.

Now then, as air forces shrink the interesting question is where do you set the baseline for entry (aptitude et al) and should the streaming point stay where it is, move left or move right? Some believe you can stream from selection based on empirical data sets. Fascinating times.

[Darth49]

AERALIS has just gone into administration! No cash left

[sycamore]

Best for MOD to send someone around to `43 Belgrave Square`,to see if they can help...

[Darth49]

AERALIS is in administration

[BBadanov]

Originally Posted by DuckDodgers

Air 5428 Phase One PTS has successfully taken ab-initios straight onto PC-21 with ZERO issues at both East Sale and now Pearce with streaming occurring after Phase Two with multi-engine folk going straight to the OCU. Guess what? The kids have coped absolutely fine on C27, C130J, C17, KC30, P8, and E7.

Although there is no "OCU" per se for any of these types, I understand your point.
But to follow on, I think we should have a "737 type" OCU for the P-8, E-7 and VIP aircraft to save on circuit-bashing for conversions and continuation to these types. Two or three similar ex-airline 737-7 or -8s could fulfil this role in a dedicated training flight (much like the TAP-3s were able to do) and save on fatigue/hours/effort of the front line units.

[Bob Viking]

RIP Aeralis

British firm vying to build next Red Arrows jets collapses https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwp11v82lno

Sad but inevitable.

BV

[harrogate]

Originally Posted by Bob Viking

British firm vying to build next Red Arrows jets collapses https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwp11v82lno

Sad but inevitable.

BV

Realistically, a firm only employing 30 people today was not going to be winning the contract, no matter how long winded the MoD are with it.

Any contract will inevitably go to one of the five or so major players.

[_SpinFlight_]

Originally Posted by harrogate

Realistically, a firm only employing 30 people today was not going to be winning the contract, no matter how long winded the MoD are with it.

Any contract will inevitably go to one of the five or so major players.

Thirty? They can’t even tell the truth on that 🙄 although if they include their long list of associates you might get to that number. Mr China 🇨🇳 may now have to find a new advisory role too. Blaming MOD and the DIP delay is disingenuous at best, wait for the we’ll restructure 🤫🫣

[ATNotts_2]

Originally Posted by harrogate

Realistically, a firm only employing 30 people today was not going to be winning the contract, no matter how long winded the MoD are with it.

Any contract will inevitably go to one of the five or so major players.

For the life of me I cannot understand why the MOD ever thought it might have been a good idea to think a tiny business could somehow provide a fast jet trainer to replace the Hawk.

It sounds like more political posturing to placate a particular section of society, but like the pint bottles of Champagne!

[chevvron]

Originally Posted by ATNotts_2

For the life of me I cannot understand why the MOD ever thought it might have been a good idea to think a tiny business could somehow provide a fast jet trainer to replace the Hawk.

It sounds like more political posturing to placate a particular section of society, but like the pint bottles of Champagne!

It's only in administration not liquidation so someone like Branson could buy the project (I don't think)

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by chevvron

It's only in administration not liquidation so someone like Branson could buy the project (I don't think)

What project?
There's nothing to buy.

[_SpinFlight_]

Originally Posted by GeeRam

What project?
There's nothing to buy.

There are some pretty graphics and not overly detailed CAD blueprints…….anything down to the ICD level simply does not exist.

[chevvron]

Meanwhile, the CAF have announced they will be purchasing the CT 157 Siskin II which is based on the Pilatus PC 21.

[_SpinFlight_]

Originally Posted by chevvron

Meanwhile, the CAF have announced they will be purchasing the CT 157 Siskin II which is based on the Pilatus PC 21.

If the RAF were smart, they’d ditch Texan at the same time as replacing Hawk by left shifting in the pipeline reducing that what is required in a jet.

[jethro15]

Red Arrows to fly with fewer jets to preserve ageing fleet - BBC News

[Navy_Adversary]

Wouldn't the U S Navy have plenty of spare T-45 Goshawks lying around in boneyards in the USA? A dozen of them would help until Healy wins the lottery.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Originally Posted by chevvron

Meanwhile, the CAF have announced they will be purchasing the CT 157 Siskin II which is based on the Pilatus PC 21.

That was announced a while ago https://asiapacificdefencereporter.c...-gen-trainers/. Recent media releases are about purchasing more aircraft as a replacement for the Tutor - IOW Snowbirds.

[chevvron]

Careful with your 'Tutors', the Canadian one and the UK one are totally different aircraft.

[stickstirrer]

New Boss and no new Aircraft

What a change. Female Wg Cmdr no doubt driven by recent shenanigans by male team members ( Red and Blue) and no new British jet replacement in sight for the Hawk.
Will any British government accept a non British aircraft for the Reds? A turbo prop straight wing?
A 4 aircraft team? Perhaps all female and/or from non white backgrounds to emphasise RAF commitment to DEI?
Or perhaps no national military aerobatic team just role demos by one fighter jet, one transport aircraft and a helicopter flown by regular front line aircrew?
Welcome to the post Cold War Services.