Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Falcon to the edge of Russian airspace.

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Falcon to the edge of Russian airspace.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 16th Mar 2024, 19:44
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Everett, WA
Age: 68
Posts: 4,418
Received 180 Likes on 88 Posts
Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
Looking at the accident thread, yes.
Correction:
Aircraft that can't navigate without GPS?
No.
Pilots that can't navigate without GPS?
Yes!
tdracer is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2024, 21:25
  #22 (permalink)  

"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: England
Age: 77
Posts: 4,142
Received 224 Likes on 66 Posts
tdracer; not a navigator by any chance?
Herod is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2024, 23:06
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Everett, WA
Age: 68
Posts: 4,418
Received 180 Likes on 88 Posts
Originally Posted by Herod
tdracer; not a navigator by any chance?
No, just old enough to remember when we (collectively) seemed to be able to navigate just fine long before GPS was even a gleam in someone's eye.
tdracer is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by tdracer:
Old 17th Mar 2024, 04:05
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: N/A
Posts: 5,947
Received 394 Likes on 209 Posts
Can recall trans Pacific 707 airline with the hole in the ceiling for the sextant td
megan is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2024, 08:12
  #25 (permalink)  

"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: England
Age: 77
Posts: 4,142
Received 224 Likes on 66 Posts
tdracer; OK, cleared that up, and I agree with you.
Herod is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2024, 09:56
  #26 (permalink)  
ICM
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Bishops Stortford, UK
Age: 82
Posts: 469
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by megan
Can recall trans Pacific 707 airline with the hole in the ceiling for the sextant td
A hole much like this, perhaps?


ICM is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2024, 10:27
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,058
Received 24 Likes on 11 Posts
Smile House-keeping time ?

A hole much like this, perhaps?
And the early 747s as well.

Between starshots, If your aircraft had pressurisation, and you happened to have a suitable length of flexible hose in your flight bag, you could also use it to vacuum up all the dross on the flight deck.

LFH
Lordflasheart is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2024, 13:01
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Berkshire, UK
Posts: 188
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In November 1961, I was one of two Flying Officers detailed to take a pair of Hunter FGA9s from St Athans to Bahrain. This was part of a replenishment plan to replace the Near East Hiunter squadrons' knackered aircraft with newly refurbushed ones, and return the knackered ones to UK. UK was reacting to a request by Kuwait for help in repulsing Iran's pre-Gulf War 1 threat in the region. With no operational air to air refuelling in those days, our route was UK - Malta, refuel and on to Cyprus. Nightstop. Cyprus north into Turket, right turn, route overhear Diyabakir, slight right rurn and land at Teheran. Refuel and on to Bahrain.

We were specificlly briefed to expect unfriendly interference with ADF signals, particularly along the roughly Easterly leg along Turkey. Sure enough, although our ADFs were tuned to stations ahead of us, the pointers and identification codes enticed us to follow their direction and to fly North. Apparently an Allied transport aircraft had fairly recently done just that, and had been shot down.

The problem did not exist for us on the return leg, because the knackered Hunters' ADFs were U/S.
Wwyvern is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2024, 14:21
  #29 (permalink)  
ICM
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Bishops Stortford, UK
Age: 82
Posts: 469
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Wwyvern: I can confirm also having experience of a strong but misleading ADF beacon on crossing from Iran into Turkey on that CENTO Route circa 1967/8. A back-plotted 3-line fix put the source nicely across the then-Soviet border.

And for LordFH, that clean-up routine was a standard Flt Eng task on the C-141A before Top of Descent on any long route leg.
ICM is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2024, 15:12
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Formerly resident of Knoteatingham
Posts: 957
Received 119 Likes on 59 Posts
Originally Posted by Mogwi
Indeed! Mekoning (or more correctly maeconing) was the re-broadcasting of navigation signals from a different location, to confuse unwary chaps. The classic case in the ‘70’s was an NDB (I think) in northern Germany that was “cloned” by the naughty Ruskies and re-broadcast at higher power to tempt the boys to head too far East.

As I remember, it caused quite a few “Brass Monkey” shouts but never an actual whoopsie.

Ah, heady days!

Mog

Indeed. I used to fly a Support Command aircraft type which was frequently used to exercise the freedom of (usually) the centre corridor into Gatow. The threat of 'Meaconing' was something we were constantly aware of. Though, on reflection, there was probably far more risk to one's health from a Friday night out on the Kurferstandamm with the crew than from a moody VOR, while tracking inbound to HLZ.

Last edited by BANANASBANANAS; 18th Mar 2024 at 05:49.
BANANASBANANAS is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.