Falcon to the edge of Russian airspace.
 

Who could possibly have imagined that this could have happened?
Russians jamming Comms?? Well I never.
Strictly speaking we should be paying them for saving us from Grant Shapops for a few minutes I suppose…

I came here because I thought it was about the latest SpaceX launch going wrong. 😁

The fact that the rest of us having been dealing with this for a couple of years has probably passed him by.

I came here because I thought SpaceX was trolling Russia from space. Now that would be cool.

Are there really people on this thread who think commercial and military aircraft can’t navigate without GPS?

You tell me.
I was responding to the naivety of the reporting which suggested that they were “blind”.
More to the point, the reporting that it couldn’t have happened to Air Force One ( which I believe it could not). I suspect it couldn’t have happened to the Voyager either. But yes , give the defence secretary a thrill by flying close to Russian airspace in essentially a business jet to save a few bob, and this is what will happen.
How the incident comes to be in the public domain might seem like a good question to some people too.

Looking at the accident thread, yes.

There was no 'incident'. Just a hysterically inaccurate media story about something that has been happening for months.

He could always have gone in his own aeroplane(N Reg),taken a few dozen maps;;would have been able to claim a couple of night stops,`HOME-T0-Duty`mileage; might even have missed the border and ended up in Red Square...

Our boys would break out the periscopic sextant, warmed up the radio altimeter and continued bravely on using pressure pattern navigation and referring to ground features from their topos. No problem.

Works for me

Absolutely. I caught the Sky News pundits reviewing the papers, the utter drivel one particular commentator spouted on this issue wasn't just laughable it was slanderous! I can only assume the rest of their reporting was just as bad on politics, business and sport too.

What happened then? There was no video or link.

You talk yet say nothing. Why?

The answer on public domain is that there were journos on board. The hype is all about specific targeting of the aircraft, which is nonsense, as is the sensationalist language. And if the journos hadn’t known, a helpful Spad would probably have put them in the picture as a means of bigging up their man (tough task).

As others have pointed out, commercial traffic has been subject to this for some years now as spillover from Russian ops in Syria, Ukraine and Black Sea. The difference now is that the capability has moved from simple jamming to spoofing, which the major OEMs are working to prevent. The mil ops community has just not talked about it, for obvious reasons, but you can assume there is no immunity from receipt of a broadcast jam/spoof signal, the effects of that signal being unique to the system involved.

We can but hope the direct experience gives SofS a bit more empathy when it comes to agreeing procurement proposals.

Perhaps some of our older colleagues could highlight the “mekoning” from the Cold War to remind us how this used to be a very real and deadly pastime.

Indeed! Mekoning (or more correctly maeconing) was the re-broadcasting of navigation signals from a different location, to confuse unwary chaps. The classic case in the ‘70’s was an NDB (I think) in northern Germany that was “cloned” by the naughty Ruskies and re-broadcast at higher power to tempt the boys to head too far East.

As I remember, it caused quite a few “Brass Monkey” shouts but never an actual whoopsie.

Ah, heady days!

Mog

Not always a happy outcome - a C-130 was shot down by 4 MiGs over Armenia in September 1958 having probably been mekon'd into Sov airspace.

I recall reading about that one in 'RAF Flying Review' in the late ''50s or early '60s.