War on woke
I see the term 'people of colour' mentioned. I looked it up in respect of the word 'coloured'. According to Devon County Council's Diversity Guide:
Some people use “people of colour”, but this shouldn’t be confused with the term “coloured” which is considered a racial slur and unacceptable.
Oh ... who considers it to be a slur? My ex-wife is a Cape Coloured (diverse ancestral mix (largely) in the South African western Cape area) and described her family as 'coloured'. I've never heard anyone (in the flesh) use the expression: 'people - or person - of colour'. I've been out of the RAF since the '70s - what do mixed race airmen describe themselves as in 2024 or (probably likely) don't bring it up at all. To me, whatever shade people are, they're just people. I've got no time for wokery.
Some people use “people of colour”, but this shouldn’t be confused with the term “coloured” which is considered a racial slur and unacceptable.
Oh ... who considers it to be a slur? My ex-wife is a Cape Coloured (diverse ancestral mix (largely) in the South African western Cape area) and described her family as 'coloured'. I've never heard anyone (in the flesh) use the expression: 'people - or person - of colour'. I've been out of the RAF since the '70s - what do mixed race airmen describe themselves as in 2024 or (probably likely) don't bring it up at all. To me, whatever shade people are, they're just people. I've got no time for wokery.
I certainly witnessed sexist and racist jokes in the early part of my career.....commonplace in many different crew rooms I sat in from the early 90s to probably early 00s...saw many a waaf who wanted to sleep around held to a very different standard (and publically shamed) compared to male sqn members who did the same (many married - who would bring along det wives with them)....those that say it never happened are deluded or looking through rose tinted specs.
By the time I left last year I rarely if ever saw things like that and when I did they werre dealt with.
By the time I left last year I rarely if ever saw things like that and when I did they werre dealt with.
Big vote for young people and multi-culturalism here. For me the Age of Aquarius has turned out to include a reliance on the younger ones to help out in so many ways, including interpreting how to steer through the maze of 'simple to use' internet obstacle courses set up by government, banks, et al.
It's been a struggle for me to see and accept this. The older offspring seems to have learned to live and deal both with the old school and an emerging younger world, whereas the younger one seems to have rejected most of the old ways of doing things and openly embraced Europe, globalism and a cosmopolitan egalitarian society. I would not go so far to accuse this one of being woke, but savvy, and quite naturally able to accept and include anyone on their own merits.
It's been a struggle for me to see and accept this. The older offspring seems to have learned to live and deal both with the old school and an emerging younger world, whereas the younger one seems to have rejected most of the old ways of doing things and openly embraced Europe, globalism and a cosmopolitan egalitarian society. I would not go so far to accuse this one of being woke, but savvy, and quite naturally able to accept and include anyone on their own merits.
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There is an assumption that all/most/many old folk are reactionary and not QUOTE. able to accept and include anyone on their own merits.
This is not as I see myself and my generation born and living in England [I say England because English is how I see myself and family, certainly back to 1700 on both sides].
Thus:
The attitude might be described as: regarding foreigners ariving: you were welcome if you behaved yourselves according to our ancient laws, ethics and customs, did not sponge off our taxes, and if you did not regard it as home, you went home. Otherwise, please live among us, not in ghettoes. Please note that we are now full up, standing room only, with our infrastructure already inadequate.
Regarding many of the nearly 10 million people living here, all colours and creeds, but voluntarily not in work even though most are able to do something, I don't blame you because successive governments have made it a sensible decision. But don't expect to live as well as those busy grafting, or on a grafters pension.
Regarding homosexuality: please get on with it quietly ....... we know it happens but a lot of us find the idea repugnant. And don't recruit the under-age.
Regarding woke: yes we get the idea, it rights many wrongs, but most of us know how to behave, we were brought up properly, with good manners, opened doors for people, gave up seats, did not put shoes on chairs, said please and thank you.
Regarding public places of ease, we prefer to retain two or three distinct categories: Women, men, and specials such as baby change and disabled. Any thought of mixed [in either sense] makes us, male and femaile, cringe.
Finally, whilst ackowledging that minorities must be respected and reasonably enabled, they should not expect their wishes to prevail as a matter of right.
There is an assumption that all/most/many old folk are reactionary and not QUOTE. able to accept and include anyone on their own merits.
This is not as I see myself and my generation born and living in England [I say England because English is how I see myself and family, certainly back to 1700 on both sides].
Thus:
The attitude might be described as: regarding foreigners ariving: you were welcome if you behaved yourselves according to our ancient laws, ethics and customs, did not sponge off our taxes, and if you did not regard it as home, you went home. Otherwise, please live among us, not in ghettoes. Please note that we are now full up, standing room only, with our infrastructure already inadequate.
Regarding many of the nearly 10 million people living here, all colours and creeds, but voluntarily not in work even though most are able to do something, I don't blame you because successive governments have made it a sensible decision. But don't expect to live as well as those busy grafting, or on a grafters pension.
Regarding homosexuality: please get on with it quietly ....... we know it happens but a lot of us find the idea repugnant. And don't recruit the under-age.
Regarding woke: yes we get the idea, it rights many wrongs, but most of us know how to behave, we were brought up properly, with good manners, opened doors for people, gave up seats, did not put shoes on chairs, said please and thank you.
Regarding public places of ease, we prefer to retain two or three distinct categories: Women, men, and specials such as baby change and disabled. Any thought of mixed [in either sense] makes us, male and femaile, cringe.
Finally, whilst ackowledging that minorities must be respected and reasonably enabled, they should not expect their wishes to prevail as a matter of right.
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That last line says everything, and why change is necessary. Good grief!
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To me, whatever shade people are, they're just people. I've got no time for wokery.
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There is an assumption that all/most/many old folk are reactionary and not QUOTE. able to accept and include anyone on their own merits.
This is not as I see myself and my generation born and living in England [I say England because English is how I see myself and family, certainly back to 1700 on both sides].
Thus:
The attitude might be described as: regarding foreigners ariving: you were welcome if you behaved yourselves according to our ancient laws, ethics and customs, did not sponge off our taxes, and if you did not regard it as home, you went home. Otherwise, please live among us, not in ghettoes. Please note that we are now full up, standing room only, with our infrastructure already inadequate.
Regarding many of the nearly 10 million people living here, all colours and creeds, but voluntarily not in work even though most are able to do something, I don't blame you because successive governments have made it a sensible decision. But don't expect to live as well as those busy grafting, or on a grafters pension.
Regarding homosexuality: please get on with it quietly ....... we know it happens but a lot of us find the idea repugnant. And don't recruit the under-age.
Regarding woke: yes we get the idea, it rights many wrongs, but most of us know how to behave, we were brought up properly, with good manners, opened doors for people, gave up seats, did not put shoes on chairs, said please and thank you.
Regarding public places of ease, we prefer to retain two or three distinct categories: Women, men, and specials such as baby change and disabled. Any thought of mixed [in either sense] makes us, male and femaile, cringe.
Finally, whilst ackowledging that minorities must be respected and reasonably enabled, they should not expect their wishes to prevail as a matter of right.
There is an assumption that all/most/many old folk are reactionary and not QUOTE. able to accept and include anyone on their own merits.
This is not as I see myself and my generation born and living in England [I say England because English is how I see myself and family, certainly back to 1700 on both sides].
Thus:
The attitude might be described as: regarding foreigners ariving: you were welcome if you behaved yourselves according to our ancient laws, ethics and customs, did not sponge off our taxes, and if you did not regard it as home, you went home. Otherwise, please live among us, not in ghettoes. Please note that we are now full up, standing room only, with our infrastructure already inadequate.
Regarding many of the nearly 10 million people living here, all colours and creeds, but voluntarily not in work even though most are able to do something, I don't blame you because successive governments have made it a sensible decision. But don't expect to live as well as those busy grafting, or on a grafters pension.
Regarding homosexuality: please get on with it quietly ....... we know it happens but a lot of us find the idea repugnant. And don't recruit the under-age.
Regarding woke: yes we get the idea, it rights many wrongs, but most of us know how to behave, we were brought up properly, with good manners, opened doors for people, gave up seats, did not put shoes on chairs, said please and thank you.
Regarding public places of ease, we prefer to retain two or three distinct categories: Women, men, and specials such as baby change and disabled. Any thought of mixed [in either sense] makes us, male and femaile, cringe.
Finally, whilst ackowledging that minorities must be respected and reasonably enabled, they should not expect their wishes to prevail as a matter of right.
Not sure what date your calendar shows, but mine ends 2024 which is in the 21st century...in case you were wondering
"Woke" has become the all embracing epithet of choice for those determined to remain in their own Jurassic Park era.
The military are not exempt the influences of societal changes and development.
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Should this thread be better moved to Jet Blast?
In my opinion no. There is a lot of discussion about woke from ex serving members and civilians who used to support ex serving members. All of that is disparaging about woke. Quite simply, woke is all about not being a ****. There are very few serving members who agree with this old anti woke brigade. Annoyingly, those ex serving members or civilians who have delusions of grandeur about being de facto officers have absolutely no idea what the forces are like now. Ironically, those people who decry woke think that being homophobic, sexist, racist et Al was just par for the course but somehow was great for unit cohesion. As someone who served back then and is still serving, I can categorically state that things are better now. Stop being a **** and look after your people.
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In my opinion no. There is a lot of discussion about woke from ex serving members and civilians who used to support ex serving members. All of that is disparaging about woke. Quite simply, woke is all about not being a ****. There are very few serving members who agree with this old anti woke brigade. Annoyingly, those ex serving members or civilians who have delusions of grandeur about being de facto officers have absolutely no idea what the forces are like now. Ironically, those people who decry woke think that being homophobic, sexist, racist et Al was just par for the course but somehow was great for unit cohesion. As someone who served back then and is still serving, I can categorically state that things are better now. Stop being a **** and look after your people.
I'm not in the least bit afraid to admit that I engaged in activities that make me cringe today, but as a young immature individual who wanted to fit in, I didn't see the problem at the time. When I left I'd have never let some of those things happen to anyone who worked with me.
Surely the essence of democracy is that minorities can become majorities by persuasion, by urging the merits of their case. A prime example is the eventual abolition of capital punishment in the UK.
Minorities do not usually help their cause by abusing majorities and also not engaging in civilised debate. Majorities have a duty to respect minorities and listen and, if possible, react to their concerns.
As an example [above] of how not to persuade people, try: a perfect combination of self incriminating hypocrisy.
Minorities do not usually help their cause by abusing majorities and also not engaging in civilised debate. Majorities have a duty to respect minorities and listen and, if possible, react to their concerns.
As an example [above] of how not to persuade people, try: a perfect combination of self incriminating hypocrisy.
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