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Old 2nd Mar 2024, 13:38
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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...r-german-navy/

Missile Woes For German Navy Amid Red Sea Operation

German air warfare frigate experiences two missile intercept failures while questions loom over Bundeswehr ammunition stockpile supporting warships
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​​​​​​​BREAKING:

Poland’s Defense Minister @KosiniakKamysz announces that the Polish Army will create special drone units after having observed the war in Ukraine.

The drone units will be:

- Aerial
- Naval
- Land-based
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Originally Posted by ORAC
BREAKING:

Poland’s Defense Minister @KosiniakKamysz announces that the Polish Army will create special drone units after having observed the war in Ukraine.

The drone units will be:

- Aerial
- Naval
- Land-based
Who will be the first to create anti-drone units?
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Escort drones to make sure the drones get through? Where will it all end?
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Who will be the first to create anti-drone units?
Anti-aircraft units would per se be responsible already.
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Anti-aircraft units would per se be responsible already.
Only for a portion. More and more drones (i.e. uncrewed mobile weapons systems) will be land based and sea based (both on the surface and submerged). This is one key aspect of the evolution of modern warfare that the war in Ukraine is giving us a glimpse of.
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Originally Posted by grizzled
Only for a portion. More and more drones (i.e. uncrewed mobile weapons systems) will be land based and sea based (both on the surface and submerged). This is one key aspect of the evolution of modern warfare that the war in Ukraine is giving us a glimpse of.
Yes, add air force and navy respectively as necessary. Why would there be a need for yet one more branch? Essentially you have an aircraft, a maritime vessel and a terrain vehicle.

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Easy, it will need lots more VSOs to keep 'em in line
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I wonder what the job description will bee, worker drones?

As one currently gets a set of wings to operate the larger drones, will it be wings for everyone?
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Originally Posted by grizzled
Only for a portion. More and more drones (i.e. uncrewed mobile weapons systems) will be land based and sea based (both on the surface and submerged). This is one key aspect of the evolution of modern warfare that the war in Ukraine is giving us a glimpse of.
I see lots of potential for different types of drone and ai drone equipment in the near future. Smaller drones for surveillance. Autonomous mines and defence drones. We have already seen claymore style drones. For aircraft I see bigger wing man drones from large aircraft sized to smaller annoyance style drones. Imagine a fighter being able to deploy smaller jamming or harassing drones or indeed having ai driven actual wing men. Then there are submersible drones. Tunnelling drones. Sniper kamikaze drones. A drone that was small enough to target an individual person.
Then there is the role of countermeasures. Jamming, catching, preventing, targeting or even hacking and subverting drones. You could gain control of a drone and then follow it back to it's base and hit the base.
I can even see the need for space drones and a space corps. Yes we sneered at Trump but he was right. The next battleground will be in space.
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NATO F-35’s apparently cleared to carry nukes.

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European diplomats are urging NATO member nations to prepare for the possibility of the United States withdrawing from NATO if former President Donald Trump returns to the White House.

Concerns have arisen regarding American support for Ukraine and the commitment to NATO in the event of Trump's reelection. The former president has previously suggested encouraging Russia to attack NATO members who do not meet their financial obligations, and there are predictions that he might seek to withdraw from the alliance.

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Per the Ukrainian TG channel Colonel of the General Staff, Russia has recently fielded a new precision-guided munition.

The weapon is described as a FAB-250 warhead fitted with a guidance section, folding wings, tail control surfaces and likely an outboard turbojet or turbofan.

The Fighterbomber TG channel posted a photo showing what this munition reportedly looks like. Per the post, this an UMPB D-30SN. The UMPB reportedly stands for "Universal Interspecific Glide Munition/Bomb". The "D-30" denotes that its diameter is 30cm.


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It appears NATO’s security details for a summit may have been hacked by Russia last year.

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It appears NATO’s security details for a summit may have been hacked by Russia last year.



https://twitter.com/UkrReview/status...74253334241356
Did Russia act on or glean anything useful from the hack? If not then it's just a security issue and irrelevant information.
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Well said.

​​​​​​​It is undeniable that the speech of the Polish Foreign Minister
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at the UN Security Council forum was something quite unusual in modern diplomacy. Many diplomats were greatly impressed by the Polish minister's intervention. Radosław Sikorski did not mince his words against the Ambassador of the Russian Federation for his absurd remarks. I invite you to listen to this intervention.
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Four foreigners arrested for flying drones near the NATO exercises in Norway.


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And here's the text of that speech.
Madame President,

I associate myself with the words of minister Kuleba and my colleagues from the European Union.

I’m amazed at the tone and the content of the presentation by the Russian ambassador.

And I thought I could be useful by correcting the record. Ambassador Nebenzya has called Kyiv a client of the West. Actually, Kyiv is fighting to be independent of anybody.

He calls them a criminal Kyiv regime. In fact, Ukraine has a democratically elected government.

He calls them Nazis. Well, the president is Jewish, the defence minister is Muslim, and they have no political prisoners.

He said that Ukraine was wallowing in corruption. Well, Alexei Navalny documented how honest and full of probity his own country is.

He blamed the war on US neo-colonialism. In fact, Russia was trying to exterminate Ukraine in the 19th century, again under Bolsheviks, and now it is the third attempt.

He said we are prisoners of Russophobia. “Phobia” means irrational fear. Yet, we are being threatened almost every day by the former president of Russia and Putin’s propagandists with nuclear annihilation. I put it to you that it is not irrational – when Russia threatens us, we trust them.

He said that we are denying Russia’s security interests. Not true. We only started rearming ourselves when Russia started invading her neighbours.

He even said that Poland attacked Russia during World War II. What is he talking about? It was the Soviet Union that attacked Poland together with Nazi Germany on the 17th of September 1939. They even held a joint victory parade on the 22th of September.

He says that Russia has always only beaten back aggression. Well, what were then Russian troops doing at the gates of Warsaw in August 1920? They were on a topographic excursion? The truth is that for every time Russia was invaded, she has invaded ten times.

He says that it is a perfidious proxy war by the West. My advice is – don’t fall into the Western trap. Withdraw your troops to international borders and avoid this Western plot.

He also says that there was an illegal coup in Kyiv in 2014. I was there. There was no coup. President Yanukovych murdered a hundred of his compatriots and was removed from office by a democratically elected Ukrainian parliament, including by his own party, the Party of Regions.

And finally he is saying that we the West are somehow trying to persuade that Russia can never be beaten. Well, Russia did not win the Crimean War, it didn’t win the Russo-Japanese war, it didn’t win the World War I, it didn’t win the battle of Warsaw, it didn’t win in Afghanistan and it didn’t win the Cold War.

But there’s good news. After each failure there were reforms.

Such demagoguery is unworthy of a member on a permanent basis of the Security Council. But what the ambassador has achieved is to remind us why we resisted Soviet domination and what Ukraine is resisting now.

They failed to subjugate us then. They’ll fail to subjugate Ukraine and us now.

Thank you very much.

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Meanwhile in Russia: weatherman Evgeny Tishkovets told Vladimir Solovyov that the weather is ideal for conducting nuclear strikes against NATO countries. You will never see a weather report like this anywhere else in the world.


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Meanwhile in Russia: weatherman Evgeny Tishkovets told Vladimir Solovyov that the weather is ideal for conducting nuclear strikes against NATO countries. You will never see a weather report like this anywhere else in the world.
It's a beautiful day to drop a bucket of sunshine somewhere. Curtis LeMay would probably offer a wry grin.
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