Venezuela poised to invade Guyana
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BV has hit the nail squarely upon its head.
I will suggest a return to the topic of a possible military operation in the Guayana/Venezuela/Brazil region (with hopefully some focus on the air assets of those in the region).
That would align with this thread remaining of interest to "the broad church".
Warmest regards to all (yes, it is summer in the Southern Hemisphere
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T28B
I will suggest a return to the topic of a possible military operation in the Guayana/Venezuela/Brazil region (with hopefully some focus on the air assets of those in the region).
That would align with this thread remaining of interest to "the broad church".
Warmest regards to all (yes, it is summer in the Southern Hemisphere
)T28B
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There are two ways to move through the jungle - by boat or in a helicopter.
On foot is Jost not possible by more than a mile or two per day.
So the Vs would only really likely be able to attack along any Highways or along the coast.
A surprise attack is highly unlikely as crossing the boarder in force would be quickly swallowed up and give time for neighbouring nations (USA) the opportunity to apply a great deal of external pressure, even our own warship would be able to greatly hinder a costal hoping incursion.
In my past career, I was a Jungle Warfare Instructor and have served in this region, including training aircrew survival techniques. Much of the area along the coast is secondary jungle and almost impenetrable. A small defending force could hold up a larger army or poorly equipped troops indefinitely.
This is a political distraction technique.
On foot is Jost not possible by more than a mile or two per day.
So the Vs would only really likely be able to attack along any Highways or along the coast.
A surprise attack is highly unlikely as crossing the boarder in force would be quickly swallowed up and give time for neighbouring nations (USA) the opportunity to apply a great deal of external pressure, even our own warship would be able to greatly hinder a costal hoping incursion.
In my past career, I was a Jungle Warfare Instructor and have served in this region, including training aircrew survival techniques. Much of the area along the coast is secondary jungle and almost impenetrable. A small defending force could hold up a larger army or poorly equipped troops indefinitely.
This is a political distraction technique.
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Weatherboy indeed.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Google Maps have put a line through the middle of Guyana representing the 60% of the country that Venezuela claims in its upcoming 'referendum'...
Just checked, still there.
Just checked, still there.
Folks, I can’t stress this enough.
If the US ‘does not’ intervene in any Venezuelan invasion of Guyana, Guyana and Brazil are ‘going’ to be steamrolled by the Venezuelan military.
The Venezuelan Air Force is simply qualitatively and quantitively superior to the Brazilian Air Force; the Venezuelan Army has a qualitative edge over the larger Brazilian Army (which can’t even supply its troops that far north because Brazil’s railheads terminate well south of Guyana — while Venezuela shares a land border with Guyana); and Brazil’s Navy is ‘extremely’ vulnerable to strikes from the Venezuelan Air Force.
If the US ‘does not’ intervene in any Venezuelan invasion of Guyana, Guyana and Brazil are ‘going’ to be steamrolled by the Venezuelan military.
The Venezuelan Air Force is simply qualitatively and quantitively superior to the Brazilian Air Force; the Venezuelan Army has a qualitative edge over the larger Brazilian Army (which can’t even supply its troops that far north because Brazil’s railheads terminate well south of Guyana — while Venezuela shares a land border with Guyana); and Brazil’s Navy is ‘extremely’ vulnerable to strikes from the Venezuelan Air Force.
In SE England it should get a bit milder tonight.
Should have kept some Harriers at least in storage for 'police operations' like this and Belize, maybe the Falklands where they could operate on some of the outlying islands.
Don't forget USAF keep a small force of F-117s flying for special ops.
Should have kept some Harriers at least in storage for 'police operations' like this and Belize, maybe the Falklands where they could operate on some of the outlying islands.
Don't forget USAF keep a small force of F-117s flying for special ops.
Hope my Brexit irritation isn't showing...
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The in theatre RN warship can no doubt evacuate embassy staff, dependents, etc if required.
Otherwise we have nothing military to contribute to this situation, the cupboard is bare - and one has to ask the question why should we.
We are no longer a world power and haven't been for some considerable time.
Otherwise we have nothing military to contribute to this situation, the cupboard is bare - and one has to ask the question why should we.
We are no longer a world power and haven't been for some considerable time.
"The cupboard is NOT bare, we have plenty to contribute to this situation"
Lets hope the contribution arrives quickly - a small amount of prevention (See Belize) beats a late response (the FI)
Lets hope the contribution arrives quickly - a small amount of prevention (See Belize) beats a late response (the FI)
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Well,we could send a few Gazelles,maybe a couple of `Chinnys`,even the Arrows ,(for `winter training),and call it 1310 Flight again,as was in`65/`66...oh,,and a couple of C-130s from Cambridge.....to help the GDF....HHA could supply a few Hunters as well...add an A400 ,for `noise`accompaniment`..JOB DONE...
Considering the Order of Battle of the UK forces today and current overseas commitments.....just what is there to send....and how do you propose to get it there in a timely fashion and be Ops Ready upon arrival?
Not trying to start a bun fight....just asking a legitimate question.
What force mix does this situation require and how long would the UK be able to fund the forces to be deployed?
If you inject Operational Security you are only avoiding the question as this is all hypothetical.
Anything in storage in Arizona the RAF could bring back on line or was the contingency planning limited to just sending the Aircraft and associated stores to the scrap yard?
Not trying to start a bun fight....just asking a legitimate question.
What force mix does this situation require and how long would the UK be able to fund the forces to be deployed?
If you inject Operational Security you are only avoiding the question as this is all hypothetical.
Anything in storage in Arizona the RAF could bring back on line or was the contingency planning limited to just sending the Aircraft and associated stores to the scrap yard?
Considering the Order of Battle of the UK forces today and current overseas commitments.....just what is there to send....and how do you propose to get it there in a timely fashion and be Ops Ready upon arrival?
Not trying to start a bun fight....just asking a legitimate question.
What force mix does this situation require and how long would the UK be able to fund the forces to be deployed?
If you inject Operational Security you are only avoiding the question as this is all hypothetical.
Anything in storage in Arizona the RAF could bring back on line or was the contingency planning limited to just sending the Aircraft and associated stores to the scrap yard?
Not trying to start a bun fight....just asking a legitimate question.
What force mix does this situation require and how long would the UK be able to fund the forces to be deployed?
If you inject Operational Security you are only avoiding the question as this is all hypothetical.
Anything in storage in Arizona the RAF could bring back on line or was the contingency planning limited to just sending the Aircraft and associated stores to the scrap yard?
Questioning the political commitment of your government, the capabilities along with timeliness of a response by the UK is hardly seeking out a bun fight. I ask those same questions of my government/military, that hardly makes it controversial.
To pose such questions is entirely legitimate. To sneer and denigrate unfairly is not.
Langley Baston
This forum is a broad church, otherwise I and many others would not be here or hereabouts.
diverse opinions are always welcome - so keep posting!
us Aircrew have broad shoulders!
by the way any idea when this ‘cold snap’ is going to end?
PS wish we still had the ‘great’ Harrier
This forum is a broad church, otherwise I and many others would not be here or hereabouts.
diverse opinions are always welcome - so keep posting!
us Aircrew have broad shoulders!
by the way any idea when this ‘cold snap’ is going to end?
PS wish we still had the ‘great’ Harrier
Considering the Order of Battle of the UK forces today and current overseas commitments.....just what is there to send....and how do you propose to get it there in a timely fashion and be Ops Ready upon arrival?
Not trying to start a bun fight....just asking a legitimate question.
What force mix does this situation require and how long would the UK be able to fund the forces to be deployed?
If you inject Operational Security you are only avoiding the question as this is all hypothetical.
Anything in storage in Arizona the RAF could bring back on line or was the contingency planning limited to just sending the Aircraft and associated stores to the scrap yard?
Not trying to start a bun fight....just asking a legitimate question.
What force mix does this situation require and how long would the UK be able to fund the forces to be deployed?
If you inject Operational Security you are only avoiding the question as this is all hypothetical.
Anything in storage in Arizona the RAF could bring back on line or was the contingency planning limited to just sending the Aircraft and associated stores to the scrap yard?
Its worth noting to the usual "we're useless now and if only it was the past" brigade, who, as usual, are out in force here, that the UK has never had any strategic interest in defending against this sort of scenario. I've crawled through a lot of papers on defence planning from 50s -70s and this scenario never once featured in planners assumptions for contingency planning. People seem to be moaning that we don't have the ability to intervene in a situation we've spent roughly 70 years assuming we wouldn't get involved in anyway...
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Is either yet in a position to deploy with sufficient and appropriate forces and with no support from other nations?
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