Venezuela poised to invade Guyana
The Brazilian Armed Forces have reportedly been placed into a Hhightened state of readiness due to a significant movement of military equipment and troops to Eastern Venezuela on the border with Guyana,
Officials believing that Venezuela may soon Invade Guyana in order to annex the “Guayana Esequiba” region which accounts for over 60% of the Guyana’s territory and which is claimed by the Venezuelan government and which is holding a referendum on Sunday to legitimise their claim. Guyana achieved independence from the United Kingdom as a dominion in 1966, became a republic in 1970, and remains a member of the Commonwealth https://apnews.com/article/venezuela...94ec8a44c148ba https://tinyurl.com/ypsvxmz5 https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...at-2023-11-29/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba |
Venezuela is just creeping back to decent relations with the US etc - an invasion would sink that immediately
Do you know how much money US oil companies have sunk into Guyana? It's BILLIONS - and Guyana is a democracy |
As Guyana is Commonwealth, there is probably some sort of UK presence in the country isn't there?
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And Venezuela isn’t, but is an ally of Russia - which would love the USA to have yet another war on another continent to further distract the USA, and Europe, away from the war in Ukraine.
Not sure what the UK could do even if asked for assistance - we used to have a handful of Harriers and a few troops in Belize to deter Guatemala, but I’m not sure we could even raise a few F-35Bs and troops for Guyana, or how much of a deterrent they’d be. |
Venezuela will be tempted to take a leaf out of Russia’s book re Ukraine.
Plus they have Russia’s backing militarily and politically in this wonderful new ‘anti-white bloc’ world order that Russia envisions. |
Fire up the task force! I wouldn't want to be 2 Para CO right now.
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There's always a frigate patrollng the Caribbean isn't there? That would be the closest 'asset'.
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That will be useful in a land war….
HMS Dauntless, there since May for the hurricane season, currently in South Carolina on her way home for Xmas. |
The in theatre RN warship can no doubt evacuate embassy staff, dependents, etc if required.
Otherwise we have nothing military to contribute to this situation, the cupboard is bare - and one has to ask the question why should we. We are no longer a world power and haven't been for some considerable time. |
Don't know how accurate or believable the figures are:
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php |
Dateline 28 Nov; according to North Korea's KCNA (and why should we doubt them) there is a British carrier in Norfolk, Va.
https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1701...ontrol-center/ |
HMSPWLS is indeed off the east coast of the USA.
https://www.cruisemapper.com/ships/H...t-carrier-1434 She’s been doing trials with US based F-35s and the Mohave UAV, but doesn’t have an air wing of her own onboard. |
I wonder if XVIII Airborne Corps got put on alert.
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If it is a republic, "nothing to see here, move on please".
History teaches us to mind our own business, but very few politicians disagree with Henry Ford re. history. |
Where's the harrier force when you need it?
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Originally Posted by Wetstart Dryrun
(Post 11548880)
Where's the harrier force when you need it?
The UK has no responsibility for Guyana's defence. If this kicks off the only task that might possibly involve UK forces would be if Embassy staff needed emergency evacuation. |
Folks, I can’t stress this enough.
If the US ‘does not’ intervene in any Venezuelan invasion of Guyana, Guyana and Brazil are ‘going’ to be steamrolled by the Venezuelan military. The Venezuelan Air Force is simply qualitatively and quantitively superior to the Brazilian Air Force; the Venezuelan Army has a qualitative edge over the larger Brazilian Army (which can’t even supply its troops that far north because Brazil’s railheads terminate well south of Guyana — while Venezuela shares a land border with Guyana); and Brazil’s Navy is ‘extremely’ vulnerable to strikes from the Venezuelan Air Force. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a7bb5ba69a.png |
I'm sure the Venezuelan Gvt remember what happened to the last dictatorship that took on a democracy------
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Originally Posted by ORAC
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Folks, I can’t stress this enough.
If the US ‘does not’ intervene in any Venezuelan invasion of Guyana, Guyana and Brazil are ‘going’ to be steamrolled by the Venezuelan military. The Venezuelan Air Force is simply qualitatively and quantitively superior to the Brazilian Air Force; the Venezuelan Army has a qualitative edge over the larger Brazilian Army (which can’t even supply its troops that far north because Brazil’s railheads terminate well south of Guyana — while Venezuela shares a land border with Guyana); and Brazil’s Navy is ‘extremely’ vulnerable to strikes from the Venezuelan Air Force. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a7bb5ba69a.png However I am not going to allow S America to add to my worry list, and I certainly don't want the Uk government to do so either. We were all happier when ignorant and ill-informed, "mental elf" hardly got a mention, now all the world and his wife is on diazepam or something stronger. where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise. Nurse, pass the tablets. |
I have been close to the Venezuela / Guyana border several times. What people are missing is that there is no transport infrastructure whatsoever in that part of the world. This is dense rain forest. People travel by river boat. An army would just get swallowed and spat out.
Secondly, the Venezuelan military may look strong on paper but most of the equipment is unserviceable, training is poor and the army is not in any form of condition to invade anywhere. In particular, Russian jets don't respond well to tropical humidity. The whole thing is just Maduro playing election games. The great majority of remaining Venezuelans are just happy to find basic services and food. It's also worth remembering that millions of Venezuelans are refugees elsewhere in South America where they have no interest in further destabilisation. |
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