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Old 24th Mar 2024, 16:42
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If the supply of AIM-9s, AIM-120s, and rumoured JDAMs are to be supplied from the US by an FMS can the 'The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.' test be met? The UK authorities are rumoured to prefer Argentina to be supplied with US rather than Israeli (or Chinese) weapons.
I don't see what difference it makes to the UK whether Argentina has US or Chinese weapons. In that region US interests far outweigh any romantic notion that they are friends and allies of the UK, and they would probably back Argentina in any future hostilities. The US would be as much our enemy as the Chinese, maybe more so.
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Old 24th Mar 2024, 16:54
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
I don't see what difference it makes to the UK whether Argentina has US or Chinese weapons. In that region US interests far outweigh any romantic notion that they are friends and allies of the UK, and they would probably back Argentina in any future hostilities. The US would be as much our enemy as the Chinese, maybe more so.
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The difference is that the US won't supply Argentina with long-range/anti-shipping missiles that could very well alter the balance of power in the region, while China would be more than happy to.

and they would probably back Argentina in any future hostilities. The US would be as much our enemy as the Chinese, maybe more so.
​​​​​​​I mean, any evidence to back any of that up?
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Old 24th Mar 2024, 17:12
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No one knows how long the Ukraine war will last or how many F-16s they're going to need. Don't know what harm it would have done the UK to clear the sale to Argentina of T-50s from South Korea, and then this wouldn't be an issue.
Yes, Ukraine could drag on for years to come. All the more reason not to lose track of the big picture. Russia and China are capable of managing multiple fronts, the West needs to match them step for step.
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Old 24th Mar 2024, 20:51
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The difference is that the US won't supply Argentina with long-range/anti-shipping missiles that could very well alter the balance of power in the region, while China would be more than happy to.
I mean, any evidence to back any of that up?
Just logic. The US always acts in its own interests - that is not a criticism, all countries do it. It is palpably losing interest in Europe, American members of this forum are saying it repeatedly. Why would a 21st century US Administration help a small European country when there would be much more to gain from demonstrating solidarity with the Central & South American countries on their doorstep and attracting the support of millions of Hispanic US voters?
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
Just logic. The US always acts in its own interests - that is not a criticism, all countries do it. It is palpably losing interest in Europe, American members of this forum are saying it repeatedly. Why would a 21st century US Administration help a small European country when there would be much more to gain from demonstrating solidarity with the Central & South American countries on their doorstep and attracting the support of millions of Hispanic US voters?
Interesting theory. Wouldn’t bet on it. Evidence is much stronger for the special relationship between the UK and USA than any such relationship with volatile Central and South American states. I don’t believe the growing numbers of Hispanic voters will change that any time soon. Sadly the greatest threat is dysfunctional bloc of Trump syncophants in Congress.
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Interesting theory. Wouldn’t bet on it. Evidence is much stronger for the special relationship between the UK and USA than any such relationship with volatile Central and South American states. I don’t believe the growing numbers of Hispanic voters will change that any time soon.
I hope you’re right. Maybe the calculation is that a few old F-16’s will keep Argentina quiet but make no real difference to their military capability.
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They'll be pushed to afford the fuel...............
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Old 25th Mar 2024, 09:32
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I don't see what difference it makes to the UK whether Argentina has US or Chinese weapons. I
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The Uk has better knowledge of US weapons and how to counter them?
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Old 25th Mar 2024, 13:27
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Respectfully disagree (ish). These should have been earmarked for Ukraine. I get all the other points about keeping China out of LatAm, etc, but Ukraine should be the West's number one priority in all matters right now.
Respectfully disagree(ish) with the tunnel vision take on this. The US has been dealing in global security since about 1945. This is one aspect of that. (It's also not politically controversial...hmm, I had better not succumb to going off topic.)
The points a few others made about how this plays out vis a vis China make sense to me.
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Old 25th Mar 2024, 14:45
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Although relations between the two countries are pretty good these days, I do wonder what the views of VVSOs in Santiago are . Although in has c.10 C/Ds the majority of Chile's Vipers are <= 36 A/B Block 20 MLUs. To me this is a clear change in the regional balance from the current force comprising Scooter ARs equipped with some Viper avionics.
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Although relations between the two countries are pretty good these days, I do wonder what the views of VVSOs in Santiago are . Although in has c.10 C/Ds the majority of Chile's Vipers are <= 36 A/B Block 20 MLUs. To me this is a clear change in the regional balance from the current force comprising Scooter ARs equipped with some Viper avionics.

IIRC, on the same day (or thereabouts) the State Department approved the Argentinian sale it also approved an upgrade to Chile's fleet, perhaps to keep all parties happy.
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"Perhaps to keep all parties happy?" Or to make some money?
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"Perhaps to keep all parties happy?" Or to make some money?
Why can't it be both?
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Old 26th Mar 2024, 23:42
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Argentina has officially signed the Letter of Intent to purchase 24x F-16A/B Block 15 MLUs + 1x Block 10 for demonstrations.

Signed between Minsiters luispetri of Argentina & Troels Lund Poulsen of Denmark will be made final on April 15th with the official purchase.


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Old 27th Mar 2024, 20:29
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What are allies for?

Least we forget that the French sold Argentina the Exocet missiles they used against us in the Falklands

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Darn. One has to trust the US knows what it's doing. These planes are said to be the best maintained of all of that vintage. I'd have preferred Ukraine got them But I guess there's other sources of F16s for that purpose.
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Old 27th Mar 2024, 22:06
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What are allies for?

Least we forget that the French sold Argentina the Exocet missiles they used against us in the Falklands
Not during the conflict though.......

We sold the Argentines Type 42s Destroyers and Canberra's - also before the war.


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and the Veinticinco de Mayo had previously been HMS Venerable AND HMNLS Karel Doorman - the Belgrano has been USN Phoenix
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and the Veinticinco de Mayo had previously been HMS Venerable AND HMNLS Karel Doorman - the Belgrano has been USN Phoenix
USS Phoenix. (CL-46)
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Not during the conflict though.......

We sold the Argentines Type 42s Destroyers and Canberra's - also before the war.
And Lynx helicopters. In fact, we were a major supplier of arms to Argentina for many years.
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