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Old 15th Dec 2023, 18:00
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Originally Posted by Compass Call
I thought that this thread was about a Chief Constable wearing medals he had not earned??
Not where your own medals are stored.
This thread, like many here and elsewhere, would soon fade to nothing if it wasn't for a bit of thread drift to keep it alive. Where do you keep yours?
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I thought that this thread was about a Chief Constable wearing medals he had not earned?
Not where your own medals are stored.
It’s rather Ironic that we are talking about having legitimately earned / won medals, and not wishing to wear them, while on the total opposite we have a Chief Constable that might as well just have bought his off eBay for the legitimacy he has to wear them, which is none, yet he does.

And it rankles that he is suspended on full pay while this is investigated, surely the details could have been checked in days not months, and a decision reached as to his future.


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Old 15th Dec 2023, 19:11
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I have not yet looked on E Bay. I think a couple of Victorian ones would look nice.
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That will buy a few ribbons…

A Chief Constable's starting salary is £146,469 per annum. The salary increases in line with national police pay settlements. All Chief Constable's salaries are set nationally and are dependent on the size of the force.
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Old 15th Dec 2023, 20:32
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I've never worn my GSM/NI; I certainly remember being presented with it by AVM Austin who knew enough to kindly say I'd definitely earned it,
Such grandeur! I got mine in the gents at the NI Det (NOT where I earned it!!) from my Flt Cdr who was standing in the next porcelain.

"Hey Teeters" he said, searching in his pockets (!!!)

"Yes Boss"

"I've got a f****in' medal for you"; hands it over.

"Thanks Boss"......
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Mine was handed to me in the corridor by the section clerk who was bringing the mail.


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Old 16th Dec 2023, 01:37
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That's a bit off topic and unnecessary. Free speech is all very well, but you need to justify what you say. No, I'm not going to buy the book
Herod, the author was a personal friend of Eric's for some forty years and given full access to all of his private records following his death. Once access to the records by the author/friend became available is when the disparities twixt stories Eric told and fact emerged. Quite on topic with the Chief Constable's case, polishing his life with untruths.
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He is being fast tracked.

Northamptonshire Police Chief Constable Nick Adderley is to face an accelerated disciplinary hearing into allegations of gross misconduct.

Allegations against Mr Adderley were made to the Office of Northamptonshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner in July 2023. In line with the statutory guidance, the allegations were referred to the Independent Office for Police Conduct.

The IOPC is carrying out an investigation and in a report has assessed, based on the evidence gathered to date, that there is a case to answer for gross misconduct.

Northamptonshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner Stephen Mold has now accepted this passes the tests for an accelerated disciplinary hearing. A hearing will now be convened at the earliest opportunity.

The hearing will be carried out by an independent panel that will consist of a Legally Qualified Chair (LQC), a representative of His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Constabulary and an independent panel member.

The date, time and arrangements for the hearing will be announced later.

Northamptonshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner Stephen Mold said: “I am grateful to the Independent Office for Police Conduct for the work it has carried out to date into the allegations against Chief Constable Nick Adderley. I am now convening an independent panel to consider the allegations.”

Mr Adderley is suspended from Northamptonshire Police and Acting Chief Constable Ivan Balhatchet continues to lead the Force at this time.
Chief Constable Nick Adderley Update - Northamptonshire Police & Fire Commissioner (northantspfcc.org.uk)
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Bet he resigns before the case and keeps his pension.
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 17:21
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Bet he resigns before the case and keeps his pension.
Why do you think he should lose his pension?

Should everyone who does a naughty thing at work lose their pension?
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 17:32
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Why do you think he should lose his pension?

Should everyone who does a naughty thing at work lose their pension?
Does that include doing the ops clerk? Asking for a friend
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Why do you think he should lose his pension?

Should everyone who does a naughty thing at work lose their pension?
As it appears from the information, in previous parts of this thread, that he may have obtained his post in the Constabulary through a somewhat embellished C.V. it seems a fair point that had he not embellished his life, he would not have been entitled to access the pension scheme in the first place, at which point there then appears another argument that the accumulation of said pension from the local taxpayer was carried out fraudulently.

It's not a blanket argument that everybody who is naughty at work should lose their pension, even as a result of an ops clerk encounter, but my 2 cents is that in some circumstances it does appear a reasonably equitable punishment
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 18:30
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As it appears from the information, in previous parts of this thread, that he may have obtained his post in the Constabulary through a somewhat embellished C.V. it seems a fair point that had he not embellished his life, he would not have been entitled to access the pension scheme in the first place, at which point there then appears another argument that the accumulation of said pension from the local taxpayer was carried out fraudulently.
Unless there is much deeper rooted corruption in Northants Pol and the Home Office he obtained his position through relevant experience, having passed a Special Branch background check into his past, through having passed the relevant exams and through having passed the assessment boards. There doesn't seem to be any allegation of deception in any of those.

Even if there was it's an interesting hypothesis. Presumably you'd also count salary as part of the hypothetical dishonesty. In which case that should be paid back too? And the taxpayer would have obtained 30 years free service.

If we do go down this route where do we stop? Was I perhaps not quite "bar staff" at the student union, but instead merely "glass collector", and should therefore lose my entire career pay and pension for the last 50 years?

Generally speaking if you've done the job you're hired for then you're entitled to be paid for it.

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It's not a blanket argument that everybody who is naughty at work should lose their pension, even as a result of an ops clerk encounter, but my 2 cents is that in some circumstances it does appear a reasonably equitable punishment
There is a statutory definition of when a constable should lose their pension. It's a high bar, but a lower bar than almost every other profession (in most professions it is "never").
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 19:20
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Originally Posted by sangiovese.
Does that include doing the ops clerk? Asking for a friend
If the ops clerk was willing, I’d say not.
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He is being fast tracked.
Good, disgraceful Walter Mittying at its very worse. Dishonest about being a RN Officer (no entry in the London Gazette) and came up with some c*ck and bull story about wearing his brother’s medals and didn’t realise he wasn’t allowed to! Agree about the pension not being touched, but he can’t carry on in his current role. Policing is all about trust and they do so by consent of the population. He has abused that trust, through telling lies, and thereby has forfeited that consent.

He also said that “When I became aware of this complaint, which has had a private family impact upon me personally, I immediately took advice regarding the protocol and have changed the side of my chest on which these medals are worn.”. So, why is he also wearing ribbons on his chest? Utter disgrace…

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In fact, it looks even worse when you look on Google. It seems he awarded himself the South Atlantic medal prior to being a Super Intendant and then the General Service Medal sometime after…


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Old 31st Jan 2024, 20:53
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It does raise the questions is he really entitled to the other three commemorative medals, including the Police long service?
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It does raise the questions is he really entitled to the other three commemorative medals, including the Police long service?
The medal [my daughter and son-in-law both hold it] is for "exemplary service" . Telling blatant lies is hardly a good example.
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Old 1st Feb 2024, 13:02
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Doesn't say much for the "Special Branch Check" alluded to in #113.....
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Originally Posted by Abrahn
Unless there is much deeper rooted corruption in Northants Pol and the Home Office he obtained his position through relevant experience, having passed a Special Branch background check into his past, through having passed the relevant exams and through having passed the assessment boards. There doesn't seem to be any allegation of deception in any of those.

Even if there was it's an interesting hypothesis. Presumably you'd also count salary as part of the hypothetical dishonesty. In which case that should be paid back too? And the taxpayer would have obtained 30 years free service.

If we do go down this route where do we stop? Was I perhaps not quite "bar staff" at the student union, but instead merely "glass collector", and should therefore lose my entire career pay and pension for the last 50 years?

Generally speaking if you've done the job you're hired for then you're entitled to be paid for it.



There is a statutory definition of when a constable should lose their pension. It's a high bar, but a lower bar than almost every other profession (in most professions it is "never").
Oh, well that's alright then! If these allegations are correct, his judgement has to be seriously brought into question. Regardless, his credibility is shot!
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