Il Frecce Tricolore-Ejection at Turin 16 Sept 2023
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Needless to say, this tragedy is fuelling controversy in some media and the online world.
Questions are being asked about the usefulness, costs and risks associated with these events.
An online petition to abolish the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic team has been signed by around 6000 people at the time of writing this post.
Questions are being asked about the usefulness, costs and risks associated with these events.
An online petition to abolish the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic team has been signed by around 6000 people at the time of writing this post.
As a footnote to mentions of falcons being employed to reduce bird strikes, we should remember that when they tried this at Yeovilton in the UK, many years ago, there was only one bird strike in the first 12 months of the trial.
Unfortunately it was one of the falcons.
Unfortunately it was one of the falcons.
As a footnote to mentions of falcons being employed to reduce bird strikes, we should remember that when they tried this at Yeovilton in the UK, many years ago, there was only one bird strike in the first 12 months of the trial.
Unfortunately it was one of the falcons.
Unfortunately it was one of the falcons.
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Questions are being asked about the usefulness, costs and risks associated with these events.
An online petition to abolish the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic team has been signed by around 6000 people at the time of writing this post.
An online petition to abolish the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic team has been signed by around 6000 people at the time of writing this post.
Why are these nitwits not calling for a ban on all aircraft? Or do they really believe the rest of them are immune?
Just goes to show the 'value' of online petitions.
Questions are being asked about the usefulness, costs and risks associated with these events.
An online petition to abolish the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic team has been signed by around 6000 people at the time of writing this post.
An online petition to abolish the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic team has been signed by around 6000 people at the time of writing this post.
I assume you have had that experience, Vatanen?
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The only potential relevance of this being a display team is that it MAY have involved a formation take off. If so then they MAY have lined up further down the runway and potentially used less than full power for take off, thus moving the crash site position. To my eye the aircraft looked way too low energy to have got airbourne then joined up to fly through. Had that been the case then a zoom climb to force landing attempt or at least a higher ejection would probably have ensued.
MB339 speeds
From my rusty memory, standard MB339 speeds were around the following:
Rotate 100-110 kts
Turnback 250-280kts (onto a cross runway)
Climb 250kts
Glide Base/Final 150kts
Rotate 100-110 kts
Turnback 250-280kts (onto a cross runway)
Climb 250kts
Glide Base/Final 150kts
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I guess those 6000 people haven't experienced the almost unbearable emotion of Il Frecce Tricolori painting the sky with the largest Italian flag in the world - while the hearing is almost overcome by the highest of high opera....
I assume you have had that experience, Vatanen?
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I assume you have had that experience, Vatanen?
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I have, and although I am not a big fan of soundtracks at air shows (give me the pure, unadultered sound of the engines), it was quite a sight to witness.
As it would be with the Red Arrows, Blue Angels, etc.
And as I understand it after the Rammstein tragedy new safety rules have been implemented for the Frecce Tricolori displays, but some people aren't necessarily well educated on the subject
and rather follow a knee-jerk reaction.
In the meantime, the petition has collected just north of 10000 signatures.I doubt it will come to anything but out of curiosity I am keeping an eye on it.
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New video angle
Here is the takeoff from a different angle, filmed from the east side of the runway (45.202261, 7.651854).Less than stellar video quality unfortunately:
https://www.la7.it/intanto/video/inc...09-2023-503576
https://www.la7.it/intanto/video/inc...09-2023-503576
Interesting that aviation accidents illicit such a response yet driving, which accounts for far more deaths than aviation year on year does not.
For those that like stats.
Aviation deaths 2022 - 300. Road Deaths 1.3 million.
Here is the takeoff from a different angle, filmed from the east side of the runway (45.202261, 7.651854).Less than stellar video quality unfortunately:
https://www.la7.it/intanto/video/inc...09-2023-503576
https://www.la7.it/intanto/video/inc...09-2023-503576
Really do not understand your comment on "way to low energy to have got airborne". By all appearance it was airborne and in formation when a power loss occurred. As far as zoom climb after takeoff, no aircraft has that potential as your takeoff spped is below glide speed let alone having zoom potential until some seconds after takeoff, unless in afterburner and holding it down whereby you have accelerated very quickly.
Perhaps English is not your first language. I was attempting to discuss how the aircraft ended up in the position it started from. This was BEFORE information was available as to the nature of the take off. There were therefore a couple of possibilities:
Firstly, the aircraft had departed earlier and then joined up to fly through as a formation.
Secondly, that they had just become airbourne as part of a formation take off.
What I ACTUALLY said was "To my eye the aircraft looked way too low energy to have got airbourne then joined up to fly through. Had that been the case then a zoom climb to force landing or at least a higher ejection would probably have ensued."
So I was essentially implying that it was most likely to have been a formation take off!
I am well aware of the performace capabilities of military aircraft!
Perhaps English is not your first language. I was attempting to discuss how the aircraft ended up in the position it started from. This was BEFORE information was available as to the nature of the take off. There were therefore a couple of possibilities:
Firstly, the aircraft had departed earlier and then joined up to fly through as a formation.
Secondly, that they had just become airbourne as part of a formation take off.
What I ACTUALLY said was "To my eye the aircraft looked way too low energy to have got airbourne then joined up to fly through. Had that been the case then a zoom climb to force landing or at least a higher ejection would probably have ensued."
So I was essentially implying that it was most likely to have been a formation take off!
I am well aware of the performace capabilities of military aircraft!
Firstly, the aircraft had departed earlier and then joined up to fly through as a formation.
Secondly, that they had just become airbourne as part of a formation take off.
What I ACTUALLY said was "To my eye the aircraft looked way too low energy to have got airbourne then joined up to fly through. Had that been the case then a zoom climb to force landing or at least a higher ejection would probably have ensued."
So I was essentially implying that it was most likely to have been a formation take off!
I am well aware of the performace capabilities of military aircraft!
Simply put I was confused by your comment on "too low energy to have got airborne"., but I will go back to Dr Suess and expand my English.
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