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Old 28th Aug 2023, 21:23
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Half way through episode 2 and I think this is showing today’s Royal Air Force in a very good light.
Indeed it is. The modern day SWO is any trade and has been since the GD trade was disbanded in the mid nineties. The tail fin of Jaguar XZ367. Taken from Coltishall on the 13th of June 2006 from Coltishall to 6 Sqns new home at Coningsby. To finish that evening, the rest of the senior NCOs of 6 took me out to celebrate my 40th birthday. To see the new JPs on my old lot. I can name all of them from my time and a few of them ended up as OCs up in Moray. Oh, the tin opener on all the sqn gear. That shape penned on a laptop I once owned. The programme has me pointing out my first tour haunts to the missus. Brilliant.
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A thoroughly enjoyable episode.

Only question it raises for me is why we subject the troops to coach travel to Brize.
Do we not have an effective transport fleet that could do the task in a fraction of the time?
We deployed to Bardufoss and a Herc came to Colt to pick us up, we didn't trog half way across the country to get to Lyneham.
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A good episode however, a Royal Air Force Squadron Leader ruler writing? Why was he impinging on the bailiwick of the SNCO? I am penning my letter to CASWO just as soon as I can locate my ceremonial (only for V V Important Letters) 12" steel rule.
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If I may be allowed an observation or two, what is the seeming obssession among mostly Junior ranks to have designer trimmed beards, which typically goes with a shaven head? Admittedly, it just seems to be the beard which is popular now with the RAF.

Point 2 I think last night's episode was the first time I heard a SWO say please when supposedly barking at an airman for being inproperly dressed? I.E., security pass on lanyard not on display.

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Now this is a SWO!

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If I may be allowed an observation or two, what is the seeming obssession among mostly Junior ranks to have designer trimmed beards, which typically goes with a shaven head? Admittedly, it just seems to be the beard which is popular now with the RAF.

Point 2 I think last night's episode was the first time I heard a SWO say please when supposedly barking at an airman for being inproperly dressed? I.E., security pass on lanyard not on display.

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Now this is a SWO!
No, that is an actor.
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Indeed. Michael Bates, who served as a Major with the Ghurkas in the Burma campaign.
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 07:53
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
If I may be allowed an observation or two, what is the seeming obssession among mostly Junior ranks to have designer trimmed beards, which typically goes with a shaven head? Admittedly, it just seems to be the beard which is popular now with the RAF.

Point 2 I think last night's episode was the first time I heard a SWO say please when supposedly barking at an airman for being inproperly dressed? I.E., security pass on lanyard not on display.

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Now this is a SWO!
As mentioned. SWOs are not beasted ex General Duties branch anymore and haven't been for 30 years. The Lossie one is an ex volleyball player. I believe the last one at Wittering was an ex Rigger.
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
A thoroughly enjoyable episode.

Only question it raises for me is why we subject the troops to coach travel to Brize.
Do we not have an effective transport fleet that could do the task in a fraction of the time?
We deployed to Bardufoss and a Herc came to Colt to pick us up, we didn't trog half way across the country to get to Lyneham.
Cheaper to move formed units by bus to Brize by bus. Been that way for 20 years. Only occasionally did I.see a VC10 in my days on a VASS fly directly into a home unit to drop off a returnimg detachment. Was on the flight path back to Brize as near as dammit . Last dets I did using Brize was my car. Last deployment was mini bus to and from.Marhell.
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
A thoroughly enjoyable episode.

Only question it raises for me is why we subject the troops to coach travel to Brize.
Do we not have an effective transport fleet that could do the task in a fraction of the time
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We deployed to Bardufoss and a Herc came to Colt to pick us up, we didn't trog half way across the country to get to Lyneham.
This. Plus the use of a Typhoon in reactive CAS role to potentially mallet a mortar tube that turned out to be a farmer? Unless there's a threat rationale that precludes Protector, seems a somewhat unnecessary exposure of pilot and aircraft.

In any case a very good episode.
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
Cheaper to move formed units by bus to Brize by bus. Been that way for 20 years. Only occasionally did I.see a VC10 in my days on a VASS fly directly into a home unit to drop off a returnimg detachment. Was on the flight path back to Brize as near as dammit . Last dets I did using Brize was my car. Last deployment was mini bus to and from.Marhell.
The flight to Akrotiri was not just for the Lossiemouth personnel. It would be carrying the usual mixture of service personnel, civilian employees and families travelling from all over the country. It's hardly going to fly around the UK picking up passengers like a bus before heading to Cyprus.
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The flight to Akrotiri was not just for the Lossiemouth personnel. It would be carrying the usual mixture of service personnel, civilian employees and families travelling from all over the country. It's hardly going to fly around the UK picking up passengers like a bus before heading to Cyprus.
True and I should have added that the personnel of 1(F) going out on their Shader deployment would be on the regular BZN to AKI shuttle on my post.
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Garvie island seems to have shrunk since my day. Suppose that a lot has been chipped away in the last 30 years!
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
A thoroughly enjoyable episode.

Only question it raises for me is why we subject the troops to coach travel to Brize.
Do we not have an effective transport fleet that could do the task in a fraction of the time?
We deployed to Bardufoss and a Herc came to Colt to pick us up, we didn't trog half way across the country to get to Lyneham.
Yes, but you sat alongside, or on top of, the ground support eqpt being freighted to B'Foss. I once went to Saudi for the day (!) by Herc, those who used their sleeping bags on the floor found them frozen tight to the ac when woken.
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
As mentioned. SWOs are not beasted ex General Duties branch anymore and haven't been for 30 years. The Lossie one is an ex volleyball player. I believe the last one at Wittering was an ex Rigger.
I had no idea volleyball player was a trade these days!

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I had no idea volleyball player was a trade these days!

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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
Wondering. You ever loaded a rifle or unloaded one with live ammunition and may have in the intervining time may have had to use such a weapon? Was a day to day thing on doing SSGF in late 80s BFG and hot ops later on in the 2000s.

Chap I once served with was out in Sharjah or the Aden region when all the troubles were on, he was on night guard up a sentry tower with instructions if he saw anyone trying to infiltrate the base to open fire and all hell would break loose as every man and his dog would turn out.
As it was he saw some people trying to get in, so shouted a warning and let loose a single round with his .303 in their general direction, the said individuals legged it and in the distance a dog barked then... nothing.
The following morning when relieved he informed them he had opened fire at some individuals and they didn't believe him as no one had heard anything, it was only when they checked and found signs they had been there that he was believed and hasty plans were put in place so next time people would respond.
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
As mentioned. SWOs are not beasted ex General Duties branch anymore and haven't been for 30 years. The Lossie one is an ex volleyball player. I believe the last one at Wittering was an ex Rigger.
Which Trade Group does Volley Ball player fall into?

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Chap I once served with was out in Sharjah or the Aden region when all the troubles were on, he was on night guard up a sentry tower with instructions if he saw anyone trying to infiltrate the base to open fire and all hell would break loose as every man and his dog would turn out.
As it was he saw some people trying to get in, so shouted a warning and let loose a single round with his .303 in their general direction, the said individuals legged it and in the distance a dog barked then... nothing.
The following morning when relieved he informed them he had opened fire at some individuals and they didn't believe him as no one had heard anything, it was only when they checked and found signs they had been there that he was believed and hasty plans were put in place so next time people would respond.
Aden pre 1967. I saw a bullet land on the pan at Basrah in the middle of the night in early spring 2008. Was out doing a serial aircraft move and watching the pan, a shooting star looking thing in the distance flew through the pan lights. Took some moments to realise what it could be. Flying stuff iwithout wings and rotors nto the COB tended to come with a bang at that time.

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Old 29th Aug 2023, 15:19
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
Which Trade Group does Volley Ball player fall into?

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Trade Group 8

RAF Regiment Gunner
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Fire fighter. Volleyball players in the main. Did see them react to the crash of the BBMF Hurricane at Wittering in 1991. Highly professional speed and actions in a real time crash.
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
Trade Group 8

RAF Regiment Gunner
RAF Police
Fire fighter. Volleyball players in the main. Did see them react to the crash of the BBMF Hurricane at Wittering in 1991. Highly professional speed and actions in a real time crash.
So his past time/favourite sport is Volley Ball, not his trade, just to avoid confusion.. But his actual trade is anyone of the above recognisable ones!?! Or indeed, perhaps PTI? I sense, as so often, a defensive reaction as if I've question the man's macho credentials. 1991 eh? I suspect RAF Police/Firefighters/Gunners and many more have responded to many horrific crashes, both before and since.

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