Schaffner Lightning incident in news
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Did ALIENS abduct a US pilot over the North Sea who took off from an RAF base in 1970? | Daily Mail Online
Anyone familiar with the disappearance of USAF Captain Bill Schaffner 8 September 1970? Back in the news today.
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Anyone familiar with the disappearance of USAF Captain Bill Schaffner 8 September 1970? Back in the news today.
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15th May 2023, 09:06
John Nichol's latest book 'EJECT, EJECT' tells the story nicely so I won't repeat it here except that the UFO story is just that - a story. It's a moving part oif the Book which is replete with moving stories. I read John's book over this last weekend and it's excellent and 'NO' I'm not on commission, or a relative! I was lucky to get an advanced copy as it isn't available till 25 May (£20, by Simon & Schuster). It will be available everywhere, inc independent bookshops (which may have signed copies) &https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eject-John-...2580927&sr=8-1
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
Because as I say in the book - ejecting is just the start of a journey.
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Lightning Accident. UFO? BS!
John Nichol's latest book 'EJECT, EJECT' tells the story nicely so I won't repeat it here except that the UFO story is just that - a story. It's a moving part oif the Book which is replete with moving stories. I read John's book over this last weekend and it's excellent and 'NO' I'm not on commission, or a relative! I was lucky to get an advanced copy as it isn't available till 25 May (£20, by Simon & Schuster). It will be available everywhere, inc independent bookshops (which may have signed copies) &
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
John Nichol's latest book 'EJECT, EJECT' tells the story nicely so I won't repeat it here except that the UFO story is just that - a story. It's a moving part oif the Book which is replete with moving stories. I read John's book over this last weekend and it's excellent and 'NO' I'm not on commission, or a relative! I was lucky to get an advanced copy as it isn't available till 25 May (£20, by Simon & Schuster). It will be available everywhere, inc independent bookshops (which may have signed copies) &https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eject-John-...2580927&sr=8-1
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
Anyhow explanations for the closed cockpit would be appreciated, considering if he ejected, it should not be there, not like its one of the US QF- UAVs lol
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He didn't eject - seat failed due to engineering malfunction. Photo clearly shows top handle, etc. He unstrapped and 'climbed' out but didn't take PSP (dinghy, etc). Sea pressure closed canopy over time. Even in Summer you wouldn't last long in N Sea without decent protective kit, and it's not that unusual for bodies never to be recovered.
John Nichol's latest book 'EJECT, EJECT' tells the story nicely so I won't repeat it here except that the UFO story is just that - a story. It's a moving part oif the Book which is replete with moving stories. I read John's book over this last weekend and it's excellent and 'NO' I'm not on commission, or a relative! I was lucky to get an advanced copy as it isn't available till 25 May (£20, by Simon & Schuster). It will be available everywhere, inc independent bookshops (which may have signed copies) &https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eject-John-...2580927&sr=8-1
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
If you thought the Ejection Seat was a British invention of the post-war period then the book will correct that misconception. Moreover, John doesn't dwell at all on his own story but tells the story of the development of the 'bang seat' through tales of ejectees over the decades. And he doesn't just tell the stories of how they came to need to eject - or be ejected - as he deals with the aftermath of the events, the life changing or life-affirming nature of the events on the ejectees and their families.
As some of the publicity blurb says John Nichol 'tells the incredible story of the ejection seat through the dramatic and moving stories of those who used it, Becausepulling the yellow-and-black ejection handle is just the start of the story', and I couldn''t agree more.
Because as I say in the book - ejecting is just the start of a journey.
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Re the closed canopy - when working in a Lightning cockpit one had to use the manual pump to be able to operate the opening hydraulic jack, and then fit the canopy open lock. the canopy would slowly close on its own otherwise, leaving ones 'friends' outside gesturing 'can we do anything to help you', or go off for a coffee break. Having opened the canopy using the residual pressure in the system, it wouldn't have stayed open for log if the fuselage was upright.
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He didn't eject - seat failed due to engineering malfunction. Photo clearly shows top handle, etc. He unstrapped and 'climbed' out but didn't take PSP (dinghy, etc). Sea pressure closed canopy over time. Even in Summer you wouldn't last long in N Sea without decent protective kit, and it's not that unusual for bodies never to be recovered.
Just as inland night min is around dawn and max around 1500 under clear skies.
Apologies if I am teaching egg-sucking of course.
What I don't understand, is the relatively little damage, to a high performance A/C having such high wing loading (16 ton brick) when hitting the water. At speed water is similiar to concrete, to displace.
Looking at the photos, that was possibly a "survivalable" touch down in view of the so little damage incurred.
Not normal, hence ejection seats of course.
There was no transmission from that aircraft indicating some problem. Not even "Ejecting..........." Nothing.
For the UFO sceptics, prove it was not, some sort of "intervention".
Why was the pilot not found? Considering there would have been flotation devices, light, radio etc., attached to him. No trace whatsoever.
Looking at the photos, that was possibly a "survivalable" touch down in view of the so little damage incurred.
Not normal, hence ejection seats of course.
There was no transmission from that aircraft indicating some problem. Not even "Ejecting..........." Nothing.
For the UFO sceptics, prove it was not, some sort of "intervention".
Why was the pilot not found? Considering there would have been flotation devices, light, radio etc., attached to him. No trace whatsoever.
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Ordered your book John.
I ejected from a JP IN 1963, ( Dual, my QFI ordered me to eject, I did not hesitate ! ) things didnt go exactly to plan but I survived, just !
60 years ago on April 18 the, JP4 XP 635,
Terribly sad situation.I was flying the Canberra from BK on the day of the accident, exercise Black Eagle,IIR correctly, dont know if he was wearing an immersion suit, but without it, and no dinghy, little chance of survival.
I ejected from a JP IN 1963, ( Dual, my QFI ordered me to eject, I did not hesitate ! ) things didnt go exactly to plan but I survived, just !
60 years ago on April 18 the, JP4 XP 635,
Terribly sad situation.I was flying the Canberra from BK on the day of the accident, exercise Black Eagle,IIR correctly, dont know if he was wearing an immersion suit, but without it, and no dinghy, little chance of survival.
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Richard, you need to read (buy) the book. It tells all. The pilot was new to the Lightning force but an experienced fighter pilot. He was launched on a dark a dismal night on a TACEVAL exercise to intercept a slow moving Shackleton. He got into a bit of bother and tried to eject, but due to an engineering issue the seat failed to go. He then impacted with the surface of the North Sea at about 180 kts. Punishing but IMO survivable. He unstrapped, opened the canopy and climbed out leaving his life raft in the aircraft. True he should have had life jacket, personal locator beacon and some other survival aids. Who knows what it any injuries he had but I can personally testify that the North Sea at 13 deg C brings on hypothermia within the hour if you are not in a dinghy. Try running a 13 deg C bath and sitting in it without any injuries. There you go, no need to buy the book for that chapter but trust me there are plenty of other chapters that will catch you attention.
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I don't recall saying I believe in "little green men". So that is a distortion.
if you have witnessed what I have witnessed, you wouldn't be so hasty to ridicule. That is for sure.
if you have witnessed what I have witnessed, you wouldn't be so hasty to ridicule. That is for sure.
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For the UFO sceptics, prove it was not, some sort of "intervention".
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Ordered your book John.
I ejected from a JP IN 1963, ( Dual, my QFI ordered me to eject, I did not hesitate ! ) things didnt go exactly to plan but I survived, just !
60 years ago on April 18 the, JP4 XP 635,
Terribly sad situation.I was flying the Canberra from BK on the day of the accident, exercise Black Eagle,IIR correctly, dont know if he was wearing an immersion suit, but without it, and no dinghy, little chance of survival.
I ejected from a JP IN 1963, ( Dual, my QFI ordered me to eject, I did not hesitate ! ) things didnt go exactly to plan but I survived, just !
60 years ago on April 18 the, JP4 XP 635,
Terribly sad situation.I was flying the Canberra from BK on the day of the accident, exercise Black Eagle,IIR correctly, dont know if he was wearing an immersion suit, but without it, and no dinghy, little chance of survival.
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I don't recall saying I believe in "little green men". So that is a distortion.
I don't recall saying I believe in "little green men". So that is a distortion.
For the UFO sceptics, prove it was not, some sort of "intervention"
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There is no Unicorn Flying Object/Intervension involved.
Zero, none, nada.