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Old 6th May 2023, 17:03
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Well done the Red Arrows, good to see a 9 ship.
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Old 6th May 2023, 17:19
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Originally Posted by falcon900
At the risk of striking a contrary note, the helicopters were all over the place, and what happened to our all weather fighters?
if RAFAT can fly as closely as they did ( for which well done) could we not have managed to put some more over the crowds?
Hang your head in shame. The crews gave their weekend to fight the weather and get through whilst this armchair pilot sits and criticises.
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Old 6th May 2023, 17:36
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Hang your head in shame. The crews gave their weekend to fight the weather and get through whilst this armchair pilot sits and criticises.
Concur. Weather was rubbish and us in the veterans stand got a good soaking. Obvious the weather was not happening with the top of the Shard hiding in the cloudbase.
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Old 6th May 2023, 18:54
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Here at London City the weather was Broken at 1,600 ft and pouring with rain. My garden path is flooded. As stated above, the top of The Shard (1,000 ft) was in it. All credit to the formation crews for getting done what they did, it's not just the palace pass, they had to let down and formate in it. The distortion of the Red Arrows coloured smoke behind them showed the turbulence they were in.

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Old 6th May 2023, 19:05
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Having been involved in a cancelled London flypast I can sympathise with the crews who could not take part due to the weather. All the planning and practice come to naught.
I thought that those who did participate did a very good job in marginal conditions.
It would have been the easy option for the authorising officer to cancel the whole flypast. That it was not done reflects credit on whoever was responsible.
I wonder how many of the armchair critics have ever had any involvement in any capacity in organising or flying in these very public events.
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Old 6th May 2023, 19:24
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Was there. Weather was rubbish and cloud base was less than 1000 feet. However priceless to watch it with own eyes and not a LED screen.
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Originally Posted by falcon900
At the risk of striking a contrary note, the helicopters were all over the place, and what happened to our all weather fighters?
if RAFAT can fly as closely as they did ( for which well done) could we not have managed to put some more over the crowds?
Shame on you, as a fellow Falcon pilot and long time Military Aviator you are bang out of order.
Well done the Heli Crews and RAFAT for a job well done in clearly marginal weather.
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Old 6th May 2023, 19:33
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Originally Posted by ancientaviator62
Having been involved in a cancelled London flypast I can sympathise with the crews who could not take part due to the weather. All the planning and practice come to naught.
I thought that those who did participate did a very good job in marginal conditions.
It would have been the easy option for the authorising officer to cancel the whole flypast. That it was not done reflects credit on whoever was responsible.
I wonder how many of the armchair critics have ever had any involvement in any capacity in organising or flying in these very public events.
Not a critic but a very nervous weather forecaster. And not only public events, but very potentially dangerous: para drops and the movement of special weapons. In retrospect we were amazingly well taught in our college: Met theory was developing as a result of WW II jet stream experience, but so much was empirical. It helped greatly that pilots and navs received a great deal [40 hours?] of Met instruction before wings and on refreshers, so they understood our weaknesses, and usually cut us some slack. Looking back I wonder at our temerity. One trick was to take leave in October: the combination of summer moisture and winter night minima pushed up fog and status risk ........ better to be somewhere very warm or very cold and leave others to get it wrong, again and again.
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Old 6th May 2023, 20:11
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I do find it a bit strange that a Hawk 9-ship was allowed to fly through London, but all other FJ were cancelled. Beyond their capabilities? They do still routinely fly at 250 feet right? Would it have been so dangerous that only a red arrow could handle it?
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Old 6th May 2023, 20:20
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I do find it a bit strange that a Hawk 9-ship was allowed to fly through London, but all other FJ were cancelled. Beyond their capabilities? They do still routinely fly at 250 feet right? Would it have been so dangerous that only a red arrow could handle it?
Would you sign off an improvised multi aircraft flypast at low altitude in marginal weather over a major city that had not been practised and without the option to stagger formations in height and with buildings actually penetrating the cloud base?
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Old 6th May 2023, 20:40
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I think that video says it all about the conditions - essentially flying through a slot only a few hundred feet high. They did well to pull that off.
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Old 6th May 2023, 22:28
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The Prince & Princess of Wales, & Kensington Royal.:

Noted the rotary crews did the heavy lifting… perfect flying conditions if you ask me! 😉

A big thank you to everyone for making today happen.

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I do find it a bit strange that a Hawk 9-ship was allowed to fly through London, but all other FJ were cancelled. Beyond their capabilities? They do still routinely fly at 250 feet right? Would it have been so dangerous that only a red arrow could handle it?
Oh Jesus.

God I love armchair QFIs.

Ninthace has hit the nail on the head.

Bravo to all those FW colleagues who were scuppered by the weather. I’m very mindful of the ENORMOUS effort and practice it will have taken to reach this day.
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Old 6th May 2023, 22:52
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Originally Posted by Low average
I do find it a bit strange that a Hawk 9-ship was allowed to fly through London, but all other FJ were cancelled. Beyond their capabilities? They do still routinely fly at 250 feet right? Would it have been so dangerous that only a red arrow could handle it?
Can’t imagine many other air forces would have tried a flypast in the weather conditions. I reckon the guys and girls did a great job and it was a textbook decision from whoever was calling the shots.
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Old 7th May 2023, 01:35
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Surprised to see the Reds all appear to have a back seater in them on that film, I do hope it was the Blues.
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Old 7th May 2023, 06:32
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An honest question on why the fly-past was as it was is I think quite acceptable. But criticism from what can only be concluded as either non-aviators or non-formation flyers just displays a lack of knowledge and aviation intelligence. Well done to all in difficult conditions.
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Old 7th May 2023, 06:44
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And of course no-one wanted an accident or even an incident to spoil the great day

the fly past was a nice to have but the important thing was that the actual Coronation went off without a problem
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Old 7th May 2023, 07:00
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As others have said, the cockpit footage shows just how good a job they did.

If conditions were only suitable for a single formation of fast jets, RAFAT was the right choice. More familiar to the public, more closely associated with pageantry, and (most crucially) a lot easier to see against a murky grey background.
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Old 7th May 2023, 07:31
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I wandered up to the Croydon Airport site (Roundshaw Downs) as the weather seemed to have lifted a little and arrived just after 2pm just as the next band of clag and drizzle/rain blew through - normally get quite a good view of London west of Westminster from maybe 300'. Couldn't actually see much clearly beyond the NW corner of the common, probably less than a mile. Looked at ADSB and saw the formations skedaddling back to their bases across Norfolk - good decision - and decided to head home myself! Actually vaguely saw the sun for a brief moment just before I got back.

Oh well.
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