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Old 9th May 2023, 07:24
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Well done to the flypast crews that were allowed to actually fly over London and commiserations to those that weren't. It did however make me think that had the coronation of 1953 experienced the same weather conditions as per this weekend, would the outcome have been the same i.e. a vastly reduced flypast or have things changed since 1953 such as 'elf & safety, standards/rules etc. Happy to discount vastly reduced fleet sizes and the topography of London.
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Well done to the flypast crews that were allowed to actually fly over London and commiserations to those that weren't. It did however make me think that had the coronation of 1953 experienced the same weather conditions as per this weekend, would the outcome have been the same i.e. a vastly reduced flypast or have things changed since 1953 such as 'elf & safety, standards/rules etc. Happy to discount vastly reduced fleet sizes and the topography of London.
Some things have definitely changed... Especially the accident rate! Search for the meteor thread to give an idea of how many aircraft we were losing *each week* in the 50's.
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Originally Posted by son of brommers
Well done to the flypast crews that were allowed to actually fly over London and commiserations to those that weren't. It did however make me think that had the coronation of 1953 experienced the same weather conditions as per this weekend, would the outcome have been the same i.e. a vastly reduced flypast or have things changed since 1953 such as 'elf & safety, standards/rules etc. Happy to discount vastly reduced fleet sizes and the topography of London.
I think the topography of London plays a big part. Back in the 1950s, the tallest building was St Pauls Cathedral at 360ft and we now have the Shard at over 1000ft plus 35 buildings over 500ft tall. The flypast is carried out at 1200ft(?) I think with elements alternating by 100ft to increase separation. I'm not sure what the actual was but when I looked on my app the TAF on Saturday was OVC at 800ft at LHR. I think to answer this question, you'd have to think would they still press on with that weather and the number of buildings we see today. I'm not sure they would.
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Old 10th May 2023, 13:24
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9 single engine jets over a highly populated area. I recall the mass briefing for the 163 ship 50th BoB flypast which included 32+9 Hawks being told in no uncertain terms by BW that "all you chaps in SE jets, if you lose the donk, you ARE TO aim for anyone of the available wet bits and you ARE TO stick with it until the very last possible moment when you are sure the jet is going to become a torpedo". I wonder if the same briefing was given to the Reds this weekend (or any time we see them over London town)
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Old 10th May 2023, 14:20
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I was stood at Fairlop Water to see the rotary wing element fly first then good to see then Reds (awful weather an dplayed havoc on my sensor)




Well done Reds...

and Long Live The King

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spoke to our of our first officers whom is ex navy merlin driver and had mates flying the helo element. Said they had to go to tree top height on some of the route to stay in VMC and hold formation.
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Was that the C130s last chance flypast or is there another at the Trooping the Colour? Still Sudan was a fine finish to an fabulous RAF career.
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I drove back from Güt on Christmas Eve 1981, with my family and worldly goods, in 2 cars, through fog followed by snow, to the channel ports. Caught the ferry by the skin of my teeth and arrived in Folkestone in a complete white-out but just made it to Epsom before the roads finally closed.

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Ditto same day from Rheindahlen via Zeebrugge/Felixstowe heading for Cambridge. Took wife's Golf for better traction and got as far as the Newmarket bypass before the underpan demonstrated how like a toboggan it was and suspended the driving wheels above the road surface. Dug out our car and the grossly ill prepared one behind then shot into Newmarket to grab the last available room. Wife and I were relaxing in front of the roaring fire with glass of decent malt when the characters from the car behind arrived to be told there was no room in the inn but the village hall was being opened for waifs and strays!
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I was out walking today at Carsington Water in Derbyshire (close to the Trent (TNT) VOR/DME) when at about 3pm the RAFAT team flew overhead at low level in a westerly direction.

There were only 5 of them in one formation. No second wave displaced in either time or distance.

Is that all they're able to put up at the moment?
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I was out walking today at Carsington Water in Derbyshire (close to the Trent (TNT) VOR/DME) when at about 3pm the RAFAT team flew overhead at low level in a westerly direction.
There were only 5 of them in one formation. No second wave displaced in either time or distance.
Is that all they're able to put up at the moment?
The Red Arrows are performing with eight aircraft this season, planning to be back to nine next year. They put on a very nice display at the Midland Air Festival last weekend. If you'd let them know you were going for a walk I'm sure they would have assembled the whole team just for you.
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Having been a member of prune for over 20 years, I gave up visiting/posting regularly about 5 years ago.

Thanks VM for reminding me of why I made that decision.
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Was that the C130s last chance flypast or is there another at the Trooping the Colour? Still Sudan was a fine finish to an fabulous RAF career.
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I'd have thought the Ukrainian Air Force would be happy enough to gets blokes trained in steam driven Hawk T1s.
Wouldn't care if they are painted Red too.
Better use of the Sqn in my opinion.
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I’d have thought to get the Reds displaying more to increase interest in young’uns to join the RAF.
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Old 10th Jun 2023, 05:08
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Runaway Gun then can I refer you to my post on the “wiggy thread” yesterday!
The right sort of young’n is looking for more than slick aero displays in that context.

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Old 12th Jun 2023, 01:18
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I understand your point. Personally I was influenced to join the RAF from a very young age by watching formation demonstration teams on the TV. Luckily I was old enough to understand that most airforce flying jobs did not involve multi-coloured smoke, but it still stood out to inspire me to succeed.
They may not float everybody’s boat - however at almost every British Airshow I attended or worked at, kids were always asking when the Red Arrows were flying.
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The Reds were at Cosford yesterday. A good display, with some new elements in it. Last year was very disappointing, for the obvious reasons, but they are back up to standard. Nine aircraft next year, I believe.
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