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Old 13th July 2024 | 04:59
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It took Russia 9 years to lose Afghanistan. Give it time.
What will be left of Ukraine if the war should really last 9 years?

Russia can sustain war effort for ‘two or three years,’ finds defense study
https://www.politico.eu/article/russ...defense-study/

Assuming Vlad doesn't fall out a window, I am not expecting any significant changes in the near future.
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A moment of sanity amongst the insanity.

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Russia is deploying ww2 130mm artillery weapons!

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Old 13th July 2024 | 05:35
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It took twenty years for the United States to lose the Afghanistan War....so Putin has a long road ahead of him if he is going after a new Record.
He certainly sees himself in the tradition of Peter the Great who fought for 20 years the Nordic war.
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Old 13th July 2024 | 07:03
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Russia is deploying ww2 130mm artillery weapons!

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The Russian losses are at a level where they are forced to start deploying less modern equipment.
The destroyed percentage of total explains why we are seeing less and less MBT's and APC's destroyed simply because there aren't that many available. Long range strikes are diminishing the artillery in higher quantities than before as well.


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Old 13th July 2024 | 07:07
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On the Barrier Pak, "capacity of the balloons is up to 20kg". Each section appears to be supported by (a maximum of) 2 balloons, is 250m wide and upt to 1000m high, so a single section comprise 250,000 square metres and weighs 40kg. What is it made from, spider web?
I agree - the numbers simply don't add up.

The actual figures, with 1 lifting balloon capable of lifting 20kg every 250m, to a height of 1000m are (in grammes):

mass of netting per sq m = 20,000g / 1000m / 250m = 0.08g per sq m.

That would be an incredible material! If it could stop a mosquito, or even support its own weight it would be nothing short of a miracle. Even kitchen / food storage 'clingfilm' has a mass about 15 times greater per sq m (1.2g for clingfilm vs 0.08g per sq m for Russia's claimed new miracle material). I doubt it would be sneeze-resistant from 10 metres away! It must definitely be made from that magical, mythical new Engineering material, recently invented by the Russians, known as Unobtainium.

It is extraordinary that the propaganda machine of Russia continues to spout such utter garbage, hoping it will be believed. This proposed defence device is supported purely by a load of hot air!
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What will be left of Ukraine if the war should really last 9 years?

Russia can sustain war effort for ‘two or three years,’ finds defense study
https://www.politico.eu/article/russ...defense-study/

Assuming Vlad doesn't fall out a window, I am not expecting any significant changes in the near future.
If they surrender eventually nothing will be left of Ukraine.
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I agree - the numbers simply don't add up.

The actual figures, with 1 lifting balloon capable of lifting 20kg every 250m, to a height of 1000m are (in grammes):

mass of netting per sq m = 20,000g / 1000m / 250m = 0.08g per sq m.

That would be an incredible material! If it could stop a mosquito, or even support its own weight it would be nothing short of a miracle. Even kitchen / food storage 'clingfilm' has a mass about 15 times greater per sq m (1.2g for clingfilm vs 0.08g per sq m for Russia's claimed new miracle material). I doubt it would be sneeze-resistant from 10 metres away! It must definitely be made from that magical, mythical new Engineering material, recently invented by the Russians, known as Unobtainium.

It is extraordinary that the propaganda machine of Russia continues to spout such utter garbage, hoping it will be believed. This proposed defence device is supported purely by a load of hot air!
Yup, it all reminds me of The Kings New Clothes by Danny Kaye.

I wonder if it is some new fanciful scheme put forward by a Russian to steal funding from the state while producing nothing but fresh air.
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The net story isn't for us to believe.
Its for the consumption of the home market.

During the fight for Normandy in 1944, captured Germans believed the Nazi propaganda that New York had been flattened and that the UK was on the brink of collapse from V1, V2 and even V3 wunderwaffe.

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Russia: Another witness against Deputy Defence Minister Ivanov is dead. Igor Kotelnikov played a major role in the MoD construction kickback scheme through which over $100 billion was stolen from MoD budget. He mysteriously died from a 'blood clot' in the SIZO-4 prison in Moscow.



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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey
The net story isn't for us to believe.
Its for the consumption of the home market.

During the fight for Normandy in 1944, captured Germans believed the Nazi propaganda that New York had been flattened and that the UK was on the brink of collapse from V1, V2 and even V3 wunderwaffe.
Using that analogy Russia will ultimately lose.
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Originally Posted by pilotmike
I agree - the numbers simply don't add up.

The actual figures, with 1 lifting balloon capable of lifting 20kg every 250m, to a height of 1000m are (in grammes):
mass of netting per sq m = 20,000g / 1000m / 250m = 0.08g per sq m.
For comparison;
3/4 ounce ripstop nylon, commonly used for light weather spinnakers, kites and tents, is 42 grams/square metre.
Paper is often quoted in GSM (grams per square metre), with values around 90GSM for typical office printer paper.
Converting from a description of 17 Inch x 1500 Feet 40 Gauge Pre Stretch Plastic Wrap Pallet Wrapping 4.75 Lbs per Roll (heavier than kitchen wrap) I get about 10grams per square metre.

OK perhaps we can build a net from monofilament (fishing line)?
I'm finding a 100m reel of 10lb (4.5kg) monofilament weighs about 50 grams, thus about 0.5g per linear metre.
If we make a mesh out of it, with a square pattern, each square metre of mesh has 2 metres of line / (mesh separation in metres).
eg: 1 square metre of 1m mesh has 2 metres of line, 1GSM.
To achieve 0.1GSM requires mesh with 10m openings...
0.08GSM = 12m x 12m openings in the mesh.

You could fly a Cessna 172 with a wingspan of 11m through it on a good day...

Originally Posted by pilotmike
That would be an incredible material! If it could stop a mosquito, or even support its own weight it would be nothing short of a miracle. ... It must definitely be made from that magical, mythical new Engineering material, recently invented by the Russians, known as Unobtainium.
Or use it to build Arthur C Clarke's skyhook to orbit.

Originally Posted by pilotmike
It is extraordinary that the propaganda machine of Russia continues to spout such utter garbage, hoping it will be believed. This proposed defence device is supported purely by a load of hot air!
Realistically, what fraction of Russia's population has the ability AND the inclination to look at a claim like this and do some numbers to pronounce it nonsense by several orders of magnitude. As a slightly obsessive engineer (see above...) I do it all the time, but very very few other people do unless they're actually interested.
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Well worth reading and recognising if you see him. READ IT ALL.

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Another day another fire.

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Czech arms initiative in full swing, 50,000 shells delivered in June, the same planned for July / August, then ramping up to 80,000 to 100,000.

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Forget launching turrets into orbit, they are now doing it to Russian soldiers.

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Impressive averages.



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Russian propagandist comes out and admits what we all knew: the missile on the hospital was deliberate. Russia is indeed a terrorist state.

Russian propagandist Andrey Perla published an article in a Russian media called "A Children's hospital in Kyiv is not an accident. It's time to recognize that and stop being afraid."

◾️"We must take into account - simply and scarily: there are no people on that side. Not one person. Our missiles don't kill people. There's not one person there. Un-humans are there."
◾️"If we don't accept that as a given, if we don't forbid ourselves to consider them humans, to feel sorry for them, save them - we will weaken ourselves."
◾️"So - simple and scary, but we must not justify ourselves for the strike on the children's hospital. We must say: do you want this to stop? Give up. Capitulate. And then, maybe, we will spare you."
◾️"Maybe it's time we agreed that there's no civilian population on that side of the Dnipro? And turn their cities into 'Gaza' - with a simple and clear goal to save our children from death."

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Old 13th July 2024 | 21:18
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Western intelligence confirms the Ukrainian General Staff's data on Russian losses. These losses are 8 times higher than the losses of the USSR in Afghanistan over 10 years.


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