Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Ukraine: Fighting for Freedom and Democracy for us all? Hardly. It can be regarded as russia-lite, with 70 percent of the corruption, fascism, poverty and skulduggery.
"Desperate for money and men, Ukraine is using violent press gangs to snatch soldiers from the streets"
For those that will scoff that it's the Daily Mail, check out the authors credentials and pro Ukrainian articles all over the place. In fact he ends his piece with the usual canard that H̶i̶t̶l̶e̶r̶ Putin will attack the west after Ukraine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...RIKARAKOS.html
"Desperate for money and men, Ukraine is using violent press gangs to snatch soldiers from the streets"
For those that will scoff that it's the Daily Mail, check out the authors credentials and pro Ukrainian articles all over the place. In fact he ends his piece with the usual canard that H̶i̶t̶l̶e̶r̶ Putin will attack the west after Ukraine.
Ukraine is once more throwing up things I thought existed only in history books and novels: one of them is the press gang. In its 17th- and 18th-century heyday in Britain, men would be grabbed by mobs of sailors and bundled on to ships to fight the country’s wars
But the supply of Western weapons has been both tardy and incomplete. Friends who were desperate to join up in February 2022 now talk about refusing to die in ‘Zelensky’s war’. Friends at the front tell them: ‘Don’t bother coming here, it’s chaos. ‘How many more of our men will die?’ is the question being asked now. ‘And for what?’
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Ukraine: Fighting for Freedom and Democracy for us all? Hardly. It can be regarded as russia-lite, with 70 percent of the corruption, fascism, poverty and skulduggery.
"Desperate for money and men, Ukraine is using violent press gangs to snatch soldiers from the streets"
For those that will scoff that it's the Daily Mail, check out the authors credentials and pro Ukrainian articles all over the place. In fact he ends his piece with the usual canard that H̶i̶t̶l̶e̶r̶ Putin will attack the west after Ukraine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...RIKARAKOS.html
"Desperate for money and men, Ukraine is using violent press gangs to snatch soldiers from the streets"
For those that will scoff that it's the Daily Mail, check out the authors credentials and pro Ukrainian articles all over the place. In fact he ends his piece with the usual canard that H̶i̶t̶l̶e̶r̶ Putin will attack the west after Ukraine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...RIKARAKOS.html
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I think it is, not only, inevitable, but that it is also now essential. It would certainly put Putin in a situation where he has to either pee or get off the pot. It could even be the trigger for the fermenting dissastisfaction within Russia to turn into a revolution.
They are unapologetic, arrogant and act like bush pigs.
Putins demise wont fix this......
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This might be one part. Another part has chosen to leave their country to stay in the west preferring freedom and democracy. Not all Russians are hardcore promoters of dictatorship.
Just look at Navalny. He had this high profile because he was a symbol of all those nonconformists. If he wouldn't have mattered nobody would have cared to "deal with him" in such a spectacular and brutal way.
Just look at Navalny. He had this high profile because he was a symbol of all those nonconformists. If he wouldn't have mattered nobody would have cared to "deal with him" in such a spectacular and brutal way.
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Is there any benefit to Russia - apart from a tiny propaganda plus - to Transnistria shouting "We want to join you, big brother " ? The 2 000 Russian troops there can't do anything useful. The huge - and old - munitions stocks can't be transferred any more easily. Is there a big downside in that Ukraine could invade for the munitions ?
That apart, how are the Russian forces being supported - buying all supplies locally ?
That apart, how are the Russian forces being supported - buying all supplies locally ?
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E.g. how would Kazakhstan defend itself? It's just another artificial country according to Vlad's definition.
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The theory is clear. I was hoping for an answer addressing the reality. Anyone any ideas about how the 2 000 Russkis are being fed and watered ? Experience ( reported ) of Russians in Ukraine doesn't lead one to expect much, but unless thay have N Korean experience, they can't be living on grass.
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The theory is clear. I was hoping for an answer addressing the reality. Anyone any ideas about how the 2 000 Russkis are being fed and watered ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...Russian_Forces
The Operational Group of Russian Forces in Transnistria…is a sizable overseas military task force of the Russian Armed Forces. It serves as part of the tri-lateral Joint Control Commission (JCC) in the region with around 350 soldiers provided to the JCC.
1,500 soldiers of the military force are based at the former decommissioned Soviet-era ammunition depot at Cobasna, where it guards around 22,000 tons of military equipment and ammunition.
The core of the OGRT consists of 70 to 100 Russian officers who normally rotate every six months, with the rest being Transnistrian locals employed as soldiers.
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The problem I see they have with Transnistra is if they create waves, Ukraine and Moldova can simply close the borders to everything going in, being landlocked they would rapidly run out of food, though not sure who provides water and power though, I would assume the officers are rotated through Moldova, that could also be stopped, And there is no way Russia is going to be able to resupply from the air, Ukraine could see to that. I would also think Romania would step in to aid Moldova, bearing in mind they are intertwined. I would also imagine Ukraine could use the weaponry stored in Transnitria too.
As for Russia's next invasion of the Baltics etc... The question has to be how and with what? As things stand at the moment they are just about maintaining supplies to Ukraine, if they God forbid take Ukraine, it will not be over, the population as I see it will fight them tooth and nail with the equivalent of the French Resistance.
This will mean Russia will need to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment just to try to for some form of stability, unless the mass genocide of the Ukrainian people is their aim.
So where are all these extra troops and equipment coming from, if they had them they would be using them?
Do they pull them from borders elsewhere to bolster the troops to move into the Nato countries in the Baltic states, if they did what would there be to stop the likes of Finland opening up a second front and how would the Russians be able to cope with fighting on two fronts etc? Throw Transnistra and Kaliningrad into the pot and anything could be possible..
As for Russia's next invasion of the Baltics etc... The question has to be how and with what? As things stand at the moment they are just about maintaining supplies to Ukraine, if they God forbid take Ukraine, it will not be over, the population as I see it will fight them tooth and nail with the equivalent of the French Resistance.
This will mean Russia will need to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment just to try to for some form of stability, unless the mass genocide of the Ukrainian people is their aim.
So where are all these extra troops and equipment coming from, if they had them they would be using them?
Do they pull them from borders elsewhere to bolster the troops to move into the Nato countries in the Baltic states, if they did what would there be to stop the likes of Finland opening up a second front and how would the Russians be able to cope with fighting on two fronts etc? Throw Transnistra and Kaliningrad into the pot and anything could be possible..
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Mainly locals, the only Russians being around 100 officers presumably being quartered within the perimeter of the arms dump. .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...Russian_Forces
The Operational Group of Russian Forces in Transnistria…is a sizable overseas military task force of the Russian Armed Forces. It serves as part of the tri-lateral Joint Control Commission (JCC) in the region with around 350 soldiers provided to the JCC.
1,500 soldiers of the military force are based at the former decommissioned Soviet-era ammunition depot at Cobasna, where it guards around 22,000 tons of military equipment and ammunition.
The core of the OGRT consists of 70 to 100 Russian officers who normally rotate every six months, with the rest being Transnistrian locals employed as soldiers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...Russian_Forces
The Operational Group of Russian Forces in Transnistria…is a sizable overseas military task force of the Russian Armed Forces. It serves as part of the tri-lateral Joint Control Commission (JCC) in the region with around 350 soldiers provided to the JCC.
1,500 soldiers of the military force are based at the former decommissioned Soviet-era ammunition depot at Cobasna, where it guards around 22,000 tons of military equipment and ammunition.
The core of the OGRT consists of 70 to 100 Russian officers who normally rotate every six months, with the rest being Transnistrian locals employed as soldiers.
I'm surprised Ukraine SF haven't paid that place a visit by now.
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The problem I see they have with Transnistra is if they create waves, Ukraine and Moldova can simply close the borders to everything going in, being landlocked they would rapidly run out of food, though not sure who provides water and power though, I would assume the officers are rotated through Moldova, that could also be stopped, And there is no way Russia is going to be able to resupply from the air, Ukraine could see to that. I would also think Romania would step in to aid Moldova, bearing in mind they are intertwined. I would also imagine Ukraine could use the weaponry stored in Transnitria too.
As for Russia's next invasion of the Baltics etc... The question has to be how and with what? As things stand at the moment they are just about maintaining supplies to Ukraine, if they God forbid take Ukraine, it will not be over, the population as I see it will fight them tooth and nail with the equivalent of the French Resistance.
This will mean Russia will need to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment just to try to for some form of stability, unless the mass genocide of the Ukrainian people is their aim.
So where are all these extra troops and equipment coming from, if they had them they would be using them?
Do they pull them from borders elsewhere to bolster the troops to move into the Nato countries in the Baltic states, if they did what would there be to stop the likes of Finland opening up a second front and how would the Russians be able to cope with fighting on two fronts etc? Throw Transnistra and Kaliningrad into the pot and anything could be possible..
As for Russia's next invasion of the Baltics etc... The question has to be how and with what? As things stand at the moment they are just about maintaining supplies to Ukraine, if they God forbid take Ukraine, it will not be over, the population as I see it will fight them tooth and nail with the equivalent of the French Resistance.
This will mean Russia will need to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment just to try to for some form of stability, unless the mass genocide of the Ukrainian people is their aim.
So where are all these extra troops and equipment coming from, if they had them they would be using them?
Do they pull them from borders elsewhere to bolster the troops to move into the Nato countries in the Baltic states, if they did what would there be to stop the likes of Finland opening up a second front and how would the Russians be able to cope with fighting on two fronts etc? Throw Transnistra and Kaliningrad into the pot and anything could be possible..
However at end-2024 Ukraine plans to not renew the pipeline transit contracts. These currently supply gas into Transnistria and to the other historically-Kremlin-aligned nations, i.e. Serbia, Austria, Hungary (and historically Italy was also a beneficiary but I think that is now over) and Slovakia.
Until now Ukraine have honoured the existing gas trans-shipment contracts, but they are under no obligation to renew them. That is the crunch point for Transnistria I suspect. And for those other countries that have not gone over to Turkstream.
Moldova is no longer dependent on the Transnistrian power stations.
*** Transnistrian heavy industry and power generation are stuffed without Russian gas. ****
https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/91649
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E..._energy_crisis
https://gjia.georgetown.edu/2023/04/...on-of-ukraine/
https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/91460
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I'd suggest to copy some pages from Putler's book and invade Transnistria claiming that they were "oppressing the moldovan minority" or something like that. Since it's not Russian territory, Vlad can't use nukes.
Let's see if Russia likes that.
Let's see if Russia likes that.
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⚡️Some monitoring channels report that a 🇷🇺Russian Su-35 fighter jet has disappeared from the radars in the Mariupol area. It may have been shot down.
We are waiting for information from the Air Force of 🇺🇦Ukraine.
We are waiting for information from the Air Force of 🇺🇦Ukraine.
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Update on the F-16 training.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/1/7444502/
Ukrainian pilots and engineers are continuing their training on F-16 fighter jets, with pilots practising tactical manoeuvres.
Source: Yurii Ihnat, spokesman for the Ukrainian Air Force, on air during the national 24/7 newscast
Quote: "The process is ongoing. Pilots are practising tactical manoeuvres, carrying out missions against both air and ground targets. This is very, very necessary, because not only do they need to fly and control the airspace, they have to engage in combat. Our pilots are currently honing these skills.
Similarly, aircraft personnel and engineers are learning how to service this aircraft, its weaponry, how to program it, and how to deliver precise strikes with high-precision weapons. All this preparation is necessary for the aircraft to operate most effectively in the Ukrainian sky, destroying enemy air, ground, and sea targets. Ukraine is also adapting infrastructure at specific airbases to facilitate the use of these aircraft."
Details: Ihnat emphasised that the training programme for the F-16s spans a minimum of two years. However, Ukrainian flight and ground crews are undergoing accelerated training, with the retraining process having taken about six months. In other words, Ukraine is doing everything possible to ensure that these aircraft enter our airspace as quickly as possible and fulfil their missions.
Source: Yurii Ihnat, spokesman for the Ukrainian Air Force, on air during the national 24/7 newscast
Quote: "The process is ongoing. Pilots are practising tactical manoeuvres, carrying out missions against both air and ground targets. This is very, very necessary, because not only do they need to fly and control the airspace, they have to engage in combat. Our pilots are currently honing these skills.
Similarly, aircraft personnel and engineers are learning how to service this aircraft, its weaponry, how to program it, and how to deliver precise strikes with high-precision weapons. All this preparation is necessary for the aircraft to operate most effectively in the Ukrainian sky, destroying enemy air, ground, and sea targets. Ukraine is also adapting infrastructure at specific airbases to facilitate the use of these aircraft."
Details: Ihnat emphasised that the training programme for the F-16s spans a minimum of two years. However, Ukrainian flight and ground crews are undergoing accelerated training, with the retraining process having taken about six months. In other words, Ukraine is doing everything possible to ensure that these aircraft enter our airspace as quickly as possible and fulfil their missions.
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The UK Defence Intelligence assessment of Russia's military, the dates seem odd.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/1/7444516/
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I agree with this one..
According to UK Defence Intelligence, Russia's military-industrial complex is unable to fully meet the needs of its war against Ukraine but will be able to maintain superiority this year.
Source: UK Defence Intelligence review dated 1 March on Twitter, as reported by European Pravda
Details: It is noted that the Russian defence industry will significantly increased production in 2023 by increasing the number of people employed in the sector to 3.5 million, growing the number of shifts, and expanding existing production lines.
At the same time, increased production is due to the restoration and modernization of existing reserves, not new production. For example, the vast majority of the main battle tanks released in 2023 are restored machines.
Furthermore, as previously stated, artillery ammunition production is expected to increase in 2023. "However, munition production is likely to peak in the next 12 months due to capacity constraints," the report said.
"Although the defence industry is unable to fully meet the demands of Russian operations against Ukraine, it is almost certainly capable of delivering a materiel advantage over Ukraine throughout 2024."
Source: UK Defence Intelligence review dated 1 March on Twitter, as reported by European Pravda
Details: It is noted that the Russian defence industry will significantly increased production in 2023 by increasing the number of people employed in the sector to 3.5 million, growing the number of shifts, and expanding existing production lines.
At the same time, increased production is due to the restoration and modernization of existing reserves, not new production. For example, the vast majority of the main battle tanks released in 2023 are restored machines.
Furthermore, as previously stated, artillery ammunition production is expected to increase in 2023. "However, munition production is likely to peak in the next 12 months due to capacity constraints," the report said.
"Although the defence industry is unable to fully meet the demands of Russian operations against Ukraine, it is almost certainly capable of delivering a materiel advantage over Ukraine throughout 2024."
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I agree with this one..
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The funeral and it's getting to show there is resistance in Russia. Thousands are finding their voice and shouting NO to War! lets hope this is the start of something, they had one revolution partly over a war, perhaps another is in the offing?
They are blatently saying it in public, this woman is a brave.
They are blatently saying it in public, this woman is a brave.
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Not your average street scene anywhere else. 
Ukrainian driver fall in love with a sniper during a red light in Kyiv
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Canada joins the list willing to send troops to Ukraine 
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