Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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A Russian soldier surrenders and wishes to fight for Ukraine.
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During the conference, at one point he revealed Russia currently has a total of 617,000 troops in Ukraine. He also claimed that on top of 300,000 people called up for service last year, another 486,000 have signed up voluntarily as contract soldiers.
Doing the sums: (300,000 + 486,000) - 617,000 = 169,000
That is of course if one believes the 486,000 volunteers and 617,000 fighting in Ukraine.
A classified US intelligence report estimated this week that 315,000 Russian soldiers had been either killed or wounded since the war began - which it said was almost 90% of Russia's military personnel at the start of the invasion.
Reported on the BBC website.
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Vladimir Putin has inadvertently suggested that more than 300,000 Russian soldiers have died or been heavily wounded in Ukraine.
The figures are in stark contrast to the last death toll offered by the Kremlin, which suggested less than 6,000 troops in Ukraine had been killed.
During his first news conference since the full-scale invasion, he suggested that 244,000 Russians had been mobilised, before adding that 486,000 had volunteered to fight.
He then proceeded to say that 617,000 Russians were fighting in Ukraine.
According to military analyst Yan Matveyev, an additional 250,000 Russian soldiers were involved in the first stages of the invasion in the six months prior to the partial mobilisation of September 2022.
“That is, Putin literally admitted irretrievable losses in the amount of 363,000 people,” Mr Matveyev said.
This figure roughly aligns with US estimates that were declassified earlier this week, which suggested that Russia had suffered 315,000 dead and injured troops in Ukraine.
But the last time the Kremlin offered an estimate of the death toll was September 2022, in which they said only 5,937 soldiers had been killed.
The figures are in stark contrast to the last death toll offered by the Kremlin, which suggested less than 6,000 troops in Ukraine had been killed.
During his first news conference since the full-scale invasion, he suggested that 244,000 Russians had been mobilised, before adding that 486,000 had volunteered to fight.
He then proceeded to say that 617,000 Russians were fighting in Ukraine.
According to military analyst Yan Matveyev, an additional 250,000 Russian soldiers were involved in the first stages of the invasion in the six months prior to the partial mobilisation of September 2022.
“That is, Putin literally admitted irretrievable losses in the amount of 363,000 people,” Mr Matveyev said.
This figure roughly aligns with US estimates that were declassified earlier this week, which suggested that Russia had suffered 315,000 dead and injured troops in Ukraine.
But the last time the Kremlin offered an estimate of the death toll was September 2022, in which they said only 5,937 soldiers had been killed.
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I don’t know how accurate this is.
Russia intends to continue the war until 2026, capturing Kharkov and the Dnieper - BILD citing sources Western propaganda claims that Moscow is counting on a decrease in Western support for Ukraine by developing a new medium-term war plan.
By the end of 2024, it is planned to establish full control over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and reach the Oskol River in the Kharkov region.
By the end of 2026, it is planned to advance further west to the Dnieper, capturing a significant part of the Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions , including Kharkov, Dnieper and Zaporozhye.
On the Kherson front it is planned to hold the defense along the Dnieper without attacking the right bank of Kherson or Odessa.
By the end of 2024, it is planned to establish full control over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and reach the Oskol River in the Kharkov region.
By the end of 2026, it is planned to advance further west to the Dnieper, capturing a significant part of the Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions , including Kharkov, Dnieper and Zaporozhye.
On the Kherson front it is planned to hold the defense along the Dnieper without attacking the right bank of Kherson or Odessa.
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Usual caveats, especially considering this is a pro-Russia account:
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1735604779462562257?s=20
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1735604779462562257?s=20
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Ukrainian close combat fighting against a large Russian convoy attempting to breach their positions, and close as in across the yard!
The aftermath, several vehicles disabled and the Russians have fled the scene.
Let me get this straight for a neophyte. So the armored vehicles drop them off and flee, even though they didn't come under serious fire, leaving the infantry to be gunned down in the fields by Ukrainians hidden in cover of the houses.
The aftermath, several vehicles disabled and the Russians have fled the scene.
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that's no micro aid!
Bulgaria's Parliament Approves €3.6 billion in micro-financial aid to Ukraine, marking the second stage of planned assistance. The ratification passed with 116 MPs in favor, while 48 voted against, and 6 abstained
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Bit optimistic there,
During the conference, at one point he revealed Russia currently has a total of 617,000 troops in Ukraine. He also claimed that on top of 300,000 people called up for service last year, another 486,000 have signed up voluntarily as contract soldiers.
Doing the sums: (300,000 + 486,000) - 617,000 = 169,000
That is of course if one believes the 486,000 volunteers and 617,000 fighting in Ukraine.
A classified US intelligence report estimated this week that 315,000 Russian soldiers had been either killed or wounded since the war began - which it said was almost 90% of Russia's military personnel at the start of the invasion.
Reported on the BBC website.
During the conference, at one point he revealed Russia currently has a total of 617,000 troops in Ukraine. He also claimed that on top of 300,000 people called up for service last year, another 486,000 have signed up voluntarily as contract soldiers.
Doing the sums: (300,000 + 486,000) - 617,000 = 169,000
That is of course if one believes the 486,000 volunteers and 617,000 fighting in Ukraine.
A classified US intelligence report estimated this week that 315,000 Russian soldiers had been either killed or wounded since the war began - which it said was almost 90% of Russia's military personnel at the start of the invasion.
Reported on the BBC website.
This means that the initial invasion force of 300 000 men consisted of regular Russian troops ( and conscripts ? ) but in any case, of men who are unaccounted for in your workings.
EDIT: The following link ( 3:58 ) also concludes that the invasion force was entirely from the Russian regular army and consisted of 360 000 of their best troops, of which 315 000 (87% ) are now "lost"
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Footage showing a Bradley going head to head against a BMP that decides fleeing is the best option and then gets hit by both the Bradley multiple times and a cluster munition.
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If anyone thinks Putin will stop with Ukrain, you are freaking nuts.
His aim is to plug the gaps that would allow a future invader to roll into Russia. Bessarabian Gap comes to mind. Moldova, the STAN countries, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are all targets.
His aim is to plug the gaps that would allow a future invader to roll into Russia. Bessarabian Gap comes to mind. Moldova, the STAN countries, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are all targets.
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For those that thought Germany's latest 155mm artillery shell donation was small, their supply details have been updated.
Their total deliveries which is massive can be viewed here
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-...kraine-2054992
Germany updated their aid to Ukraine
9 Bandvagn 206 ATV
1 Patriot system + spareparts/missiles
7.390 155-mm shells
6 mine clearing systems
14 drone detection systems
16 Zetros trucks/tankers
4 semi-trailers
4 vehicles
47.040 40-mm ammo
9 Bandvagn 206 ATV
1 Patriot system + spareparts/missiles
7.390 155-mm shells
6 mine clearing systems
14 drone detection systems
16 Zetros trucks/tankers
4 semi-trailers
4 vehicles
47.040 40-mm ammo
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-...kraine-2054992
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Mariupol's, concrete plant has been hit and is burning, I suppose it might have been producing the pyramid tank traps as well as rebuilding the city?
It also looks like Russia has plans to get the iron and steel works up and running.
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It also looks like Russia has plans to get the iron and steel works up and running.
update on top story:
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The Mariupol to Melitipol highway is also being widened to four lanes. More reason's to drop that damned bridge.