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Daniel Hannan: If we don’t see Ukraine through to victory, this war risks turning into our next Suez
This is not the first time a conflict in Gaza has distracted us from Russian revanchism.
“The bitter division in public opinion provoked by the British intervention in the Middle East has already had one disastrous consequence,” wrote Malcom Muggeridge in 1956 after the start of the Suez war – a war fought as much in Gaza as Sinai. “It has deflected popular attention from the far more important struggle in Hungary.”
Ukrainians fear that the horrors in Gaza and Israel are hogging the attention their Western backers. Some suspect that Vladimir Putin and his Iranian allies encouraged the Hamas atrocities precisely to open a second front against the democracies.
I fret that defeat in Ukraine – and anything that allows Putin to keep his gains is a defeat, not just for Ukraine but for the post-1945 world order – would be a Suez moment for the West.
We made the decision to arm Ukraine; if it loses, we lose. As our global reputation gives ground, so will the ideas associated with our civilization: personal autonomy, private property, impartial courts, regular elections, limited government, human rights.
Suez, remember, was a military victory. British, French, and Israeli troops were making huge gains when they were ordered to stop. Our Paras had seized the airfield at El Gamil, while their French counterparts had taken Port Fuad. The Royal Marines had carried out a successful amphibious landing, and allied tanks were streaming south, mopping up what little Egyptian opposition they encountered.
We were defeated by international pressure, not local resistance. In a decision that he came to regret more than any other, Dwight Eisenhower demanded a ceasefire. With British commentators fulminating against the invasion, the Labour Party in uproar, and the rest of the world cheering Nasser as an anti-colonialist hero, Anthony Eden backed down.
“I cannot understand why our troops were halted”, declared an incredulous Winston Churchill. “To go so far and not go on was madness”.
Britain’s prestige never recovered. The country that had very recently dominated a unipolar world, and that was still seen, in 1956, as a great power, ranking alongside the United States and the Soviet Union, became a busted flush. Pro-British regimes, especially in friendly Arab nations such as Iraq, were toppled. Nasserism and related viral strains, including Ba’athism, spread across the region.
Many of our allies had been in the British camp, not because they cared about Magna Carta, nor yet because they were sending their sons to Harrow and Sandhurst, but because, as Osama bin Laden was later to put it, they preferred a strong horse to a weak horse.
How spavined the Western horse will look if the lines in Ukraine freeze close to their present positions. Hedging neutrals will conclude that Nato, with all its allies and auxiliaries, all its technological and economic advantages, cannot achieve the minimal aim of restoring recognised international borders.
I was optimistic when the counter-offensive began. I expected Ukrainian troops to reach the Sea of Azov, cut Putin’s land bridge to Crimea, and kettle the Russian garrison there. That would have prompted talks on restoring Ukrainian sovereignty. Sure, there would be give and take, greater autonomy for the eastern oblasts, perhaps a referendum in Crimea under international supervision; but the basic principle would have been upheld that aggression is not rewarded.
But the Ukrainian counteroffensive has failed – or, as Volodomyr Zelensky puts it, “has not achieved its desired results”. Ukraine made minor gains in the south, but the initiative has now swung back to Russia, which is again striking at Ukraine’s energy infrastructure and has loosed an unprecedented number of drones.
It is still possible that Ukraine will break through. But Putin’s strategy of holding out until Donald Trump or another anti-war Republican is elected, and then imposing a peace based on what the negotiators will call “facts on the ground”, is looking a lot more plausible now than three months ago.
Let’s not pretend that such an outcome would simply amount to an local failure on distant steppes. It would be Suez times ten, a moment when the West collectively was too weak to save an ally.
We can already see what happens when rogue states sense that the policeman is no longer on his beat. But never mind hostile countries like Iran and North Korea. Consider the behaviour of states which we thought were on our side.
India and Israel are democracies that might have been expected to denounce Putin’s unprovoked war. Both instead chose to break with the West and remain neutral. Both have since shown that they don’t care what the White House thinks. Israel has brushed off pleas to alter its campaign methods in Gaza, while India seems to have gone as far as to order the assassination of a Canadian citizen.
Would a Ukrainian breakthrough shore up our authority? Yes, a bit, at least for a while. It would make Taiwan safer, draw Delhi back into the fold and concentrate minds in those autocracies that see the eclipse of the West as an opportunity to settle local scores (Venezuela’s claim on Guyana being the latest example).
More than this, victory in Ukraine would open the door to a post-Putin Russia, and an end to the disruption that has been pouring out of the Kremlin for years, whether in the form of online propaganda designed to undermine the legitimacy of Western institutions or in the form of raw Wagner power.
Is the problem, as Ukrainians sometimes complain, that Western leaders don’t really want Putin to lose – or, more precisely, that they prefer an orderly transfer of power in Russia to the chaos of a total defeat? Or are they being lackadaisical, sending too little too late?
Or are we in some sort of ghastly 1915 situation, where military technology is so tilted in favour of the defender that the only way to win us to grind the enemy down through years of attrition?
Because we probably don’t have years. In less than 12 months, Trump, with his weird adulation for Putin, could be back in the White House. The West would be seen, like Britain at Suez, to have given up for want of resolve. Other countries would draw their own conclusions. The world would become altogether darker and colder.
Daniel Hannan: If we don’t see Ukraine through to victory, this war risks turning into our next Suez
This is not the first time a conflict in Gaza has distracted us from Russian revanchism.
“The bitter division in public opinion provoked by the British intervention in the Middle East has already had one disastrous consequence,” wrote Malcom Muggeridge in 1956 after the start of the Suez war – a war fought as much in Gaza as Sinai. “It has deflected popular attention from the far more important struggle in Hungary.”
Ukrainians fear that the horrors in Gaza and Israel are hogging the attention their Western backers. Some suspect that Vladimir Putin and his Iranian allies encouraged the Hamas atrocities precisely to open a second front against the democracies.
I fret that defeat in Ukraine – and anything that allows Putin to keep his gains is a defeat, not just for Ukraine but for the post-1945 world order – would be a Suez moment for the West.
We made the decision to arm Ukraine; if it loses, we lose. As our global reputation gives ground, so will the ideas associated with our civilization: personal autonomy, private property, impartial courts, regular elections, limited government, human rights.
Suez, remember, was a military victory. British, French, and Israeli troops were making huge gains when they were ordered to stop. Our Paras had seized the airfield at El Gamil, while their French counterparts had taken Port Fuad. The Royal Marines had carried out a successful amphibious landing, and allied tanks were streaming south, mopping up what little Egyptian opposition they encountered.
We were defeated by international pressure, not local resistance. In a decision that he came to regret more than any other, Dwight Eisenhower demanded a ceasefire. With British commentators fulminating against the invasion, the Labour Party in uproar, and the rest of the world cheering Nasser as an anti-colonialist hero, Anthony Eden backed down.
“I cannot understand why our troops were halted”, declared an incredulous Winston Churchill. “To go so far and not go on was madness”.
Britain’s prestige never recovered. The country that had very recently dominated a unipolar world, and that was still seen, in 1956, as a great power, ranking alongside the United States and the Soviet Union, became a busted flush. Pro-British regimes, especially in friendly Arab nations such as Iraq, were toppled. Nasserism and related viral strains, including Ba’athism, spread across the region.
Many of our allies had been in the British camp, not because they cared about Magna Carta, nor yet because they were sending their sons to Harrow and Sandhurst, but because, as Osama bin Laden was later to put it, they preferred a strong horse to a weak horse.
How spavined the Western horse will look if the lines in Ukraine freeze close to their present positions. Hedging neutrals will conclude that Nato, with all its allies and auxiliaries, all its technological and economic advantages, cannot achieve the minimal aim of restoring recognised international borders.
I was optimistic when the counter-offensive began. I expected Ukrainian troops to reach the Sea of Azov, cut Putin’s land bridge to Crimea, and kettle the Russian garrison there. That would have prompted talks on restoring Ukrainian sovereignty. Sure, there would be give and take, greater autonomy for the eastern oblasts, perhaps a referendum in Crimea under international supervision; but the basic principle would have been upheld that aggression is not rewarded.
But the Ukrainian counteroffensive has failed – or, as Volodomyr Zelensky puts it, “has not achieved its desired results”. Ukraine made minor gains in the south, but the initiative has now swung back to Russia, which is again striking at Ukraine’s energy infrastructure and has loosed an unprecedented number of drones.
It is still possible that Ukraine will break through. But Putin’s strategy of holding out until Donald Trump or another anti-war Republican is elected, and then imposing a peace based on what the negotiators will call “facts on the ground”, is looking a lot more plausible now than three months ago.
Let’s not pretend that such an outcome would simply amount to an local failure on distant steppes. It would be Suez times ten, a moment when the West collectively was too weak to save an ally.
We can already see what happens when rogue states sense that the policeman is no longer on his beat. But never mind hostile countries like Iran and North Korea. Consider the behaviour of states which we thought were on our side.
India and Israel are democracies that might have been expected to denounce Putin’s unprovoked war. Both instead chose to break with the West and remain neutral. Both have since shown that they don’t care what the White House thinks. Israel has brushed off pleas to alter its campaign methods in Gaza, while India seems to have gone as far as to order the assassination of a Canadian citizen.
Would a Ukrainian breakthrough shore up our authority? Yes, a bit, at least for a while. It would make Taiwan safer, draw Delhi back into the fold and concentrate minds in those autocracies that see the eclipse of the West as an opportunity to settle local scores (Venezuela’s claim on Guyana being the latest example).
More than this, victory in Ukraine would open the door to a post-Putin Russia, and an end to the disruption that has been pouring out of the Kremlin for years, whether in the form of online propaganda designed to undermine the legitimacy of Western institutions or in the form of raw Wagner power.
Is the problem, as Ukrainians sometimes complain, that Western leaders don’t really want Putin to lose – or, more precisely, that they prefer an orderly transfer of power in Russia to the chaos of a total defeat? Or are they being lackadaisical, sending too little too late?
Or are we in some sort of ghastly 1915 situation, where military technology is so tilted in favour of the defender that the only way to win us to grind the enemy down through years of attrition?
Because we probably don’t have years. In less than 12 months, Trump, with his weird adulation for Putin, could be back in the White House. The West would be seen, like Britain at Suez, to have given up for want of resolve. Other countries would draw their own conclusions. The world would become altogether darker and colder.
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Ukrainians worked their way round the road transport blockade. Well done.
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Drop the span in such a way that it'll take years to repair, and it forces the Ruskies to rethink their entire strategy.
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A stalemate here means that Russia has finally met an immovable object. Ukraine has actually stopped the mighty momentum of Vlad's invasion forces along a huge 600-mile front.
Russia has in the meantime had plenty of time to lay millions of mines on stolen and plundered land, for the pleasure of future generations.
Russia has in the meantime had plenty of time to lay millions of mines on stolen and plundered land, for the pleasure of future generations.
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One hope with all those mines is that thermal imaging has become cheap and because of thermal lag due to the difference in the ability of the mines and surrounding dirt to heat and cool, one can much more easily spot the mines in bulk rather than the tedious process of using metal detectors or mine sniffing dogs or rats. This detection should apply to majority plastic mines as they will insulate the soil above them allowing the soil to heat and cool more rapidly, while metal mines will act to delay heating and cooling. A commercial use of this has been looking for places where asphalt overlays have become debonded from concrete structures such as in the paving on top of bridges as well as finding cracks and voids.
Ground penetrating radar has also become cheap, but it requires closer proximity to the mines and, because it is using a far longer wavelength, is less able to tell the exact shape of the item, though it can see much deeper into the soil.
Also a big help is cheap computation ability - farmers can up-armor tractors with plows and let them run remotely or semi-autonomously to dig up whatever metal might be out in the fields with little risk to people.
The big question is for booby traps left in residential and industrial areas where none of these are particularly effective. Russian troops are already at low morale and they seem more angry at their commanders than at Ukraine and I hope that it makes for a general inclination to either disobey an order to booby trap or to make them ineffective or obvious.
Were I to press hard on this war I'd be looking at dropping as much fentanyl onto Russian positions and behind their front lines as I could. It's not as if the US doesn't intercept enough to do the job, might as well put it to a better use. Foil packets with a dozen pills each, dropped from drones. Addiction or overdose; don't care at this point. The Russians can pick up some going forward or retreating. For extra points use degradable plastic to expose the pills to the environment in a 3-6 month period out in the open.
Ground penetrating radar has also become cheap, but it requires closer proximity to the mines and, because it is using a far longer wavelength, is less able to tell the exact shape of the item, though it can see much deeper into the soil.
Also a big help is cheap computation ability - farmers can up-armor tractors with plows and let them run remotely or semi-autonomously to dig up whatever metal might be out in the fields with little risk to people.
The big question is for booby traps left in residential and industrial areas where none of these are particularly effective. Russian troops are already at low morale and they seem more angry at their commanders than at Ukraine and I hope that it makes for a general inclination to either disobey an order to booby trap or to make them ineffective or obvious.
Were I to press hard on this war I'd be looking at dropping as much fentanyl onto Russian positions and behind their front lines as I could. It's not as if the US doesn't intercept enough to do the job, might as well put it to a better use. Foil packets with a dozen pills each, dropped from drones. Addiction or overdose; don't care at this point. The Russians can pick up some going forward or retreating. For extra points use degradable plastic to expose the pills to the environment in a 3-6 month period out in the open.
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https://www.defensenews.com/congress...ated-briefing/
Ukraine aid in peril as Senate Republicans walk out of heated briefing
WASHINGTON ― Republican Sens. Deb Fischer and Mitt Romney walked side by side Tuesday as they hastily left the Biden administration’s classified briefing on a massive defense spending package that includes Ukraine and Israel aid, both visibly agitated.
Fischer of Nebraska and Romney of Utah were among numerous Republicans to exit the briefing early. By their account, administration officials did not provide answers to their questions on Ukraine beyond what’s publicly available in unclassified public reports, compounding their frustration with Democrats for refusing to meet their demands for immigration policy changes in the legislation.
The unrelated partisan fight over immigration policy threatens to derail the roughly $113 billion package that also includes funding for the U.S. southern border and Indo-Pacific security partners, all while the Biden administration rapidly runs out of the little remaining Ukraine aid. It raises serious questions about whether Congress will continue providing aid to Ukraine in its fight against Russia’s invasion despite previous Senate Republican support for a a bipartisan defense supplemental package.….
Ukraine aid in peril as Senate Republicans walk out of heated briefing
WASHINGTON ― Republican Sens. Deb Fischer and Mitt Romney walked side by side Tuesday as they hastily left the Biden administration’s classified briefing on a massive defense spending package that includes Ukraine and Israel aid, both visibly agitated.
Fischer of Nebraska and Romney of Utah were among numerous Republicans to exit the briefing early. By their account, administration officials did not provide answers to their questions on Ukraine beyond what’s publicly available in unclassified public reports, compounding their frustration with Democrats for refusing to meet their demands for immigration policy changes in the legislation.
The unrelated partisan fight over immigration policy threatens to derail the roughly $113 billion package that also includes funding for the U.S. southern border and Indo-Pacific security partners, all while the Biden administration rapidly runs out of the little remaining Ukraine aid. It raises serious questions about whether Congress will continue providing aid to Ukraine in its fight against Russia’s invasion despite previous Senate Republican support for a a bipartisan defense supplemental package.….
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US Republicans reject new funds for Ukraine amid Biden border row
Republicans ignored an appeal from President Biden to stop “playing chicken” with the war in Ukraine as they voted against a fresh spending package for Kyiv.
The party’s senators rejected a $106 billion funding bill, including $61 billion for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel, because it did not contain sweeping immigration reforms they want to balance foreign aid with domestic security. The vote on Wednesday night sent negotiators from both parties back to the drawing board, with Biden warning US funding for Ukraine would run out by the end of the year.
Biden had earlier said that American soldiers could be dragged into a war against Russia unless Republicans agreed to the new funding. He conceded that the US immigration system was “broken” in the face of record arrests of migrants but said that failing to reach an agreement before American cash for Kyiv runs out at the end of the year would “kneecap” Ukraine.
“This cannot wait,” Biden said in a hastily arranged White House address ahead of voting in the Senate. “Frankly, I think it’s stunning that we’ve gotten to this point in the first place — Republicans in Congress that are willing to give Putin the greatest gift he could hope for and abandon our global leadership, not just in Ukraine, but beyond that,” he said.
“If Putin takes Ukraine he won’t stop there. It’s important to see the long run here. He’s going to keep going … we’ll have something that we don’t seek and that we don’t have today: American troops fighting Russian troops.”
This would be inevitable if Russia went on to attack a Nato country, he said, given the alliance’s commitment to common defence. He added: “Make no mistake, today’s vote is going to be long remembered. History is going to judge harshly those who turned their back on freedom’s cause. We can’t let Putin win”…..
US Republicans reject new funds for Ukraine amid Biden border row
Republicans ignored an appeal from President Biden to stop “playing chicken” with the war in Ukraine as they voted against a fresh spending package for Kyiv.
The party’s senators rejected a $106 billion funding bill, including $61 billion for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel, because it did not contain sweeping immigration reforms they want to balance foreign aid with domestic security. The vote on Wednesday night sent negotiators from both parties back to the drawing board, with Biden warning US funding for Ukraine would run out by the end of the year.
Biden had earlier said that American soldiers could be dragged into a war against Russia unless Republicans agreed to the new funding. He conceded that the US immigration system was “broken” in the face of record arrests of migrants but said that failing to reach an agreement before American cash for Kyiv runs out at the end of the year would “kneecap” Ukraine.
“This cannot wait,” Biden said in a hastily arranged White House address ahead of voting in the Senate. “Frankly, I think it’s stunning that we’ve gotten to this point in the first place — Republicans in Congress that are willing to give Putin the greatest gift he could hope for and abandon our global leadership, not just in Ukraine, but beyond that,” he said.
“If Putin takes Ukraine he won’t stop there. It’s important to see the long run here. He’s going to keep going … we’ll have something that we don’t seek and that we don’t have today: American troops fighting Russian troops.”
This would be inevitable if Russia went on to attack a Nato country, he said, given the alliance’s commitment to common defence. He added: “Make no mistake, today’s vote is going to be long remembered. History is going to judge harshly those who turned their back on freedom’s cause. We can’t let Putin win”…..
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I put this here as a testimonial to one mans bravery.
The Dentist.
A volunteer from Sri Lanka in Ukraine who died at the front trying to recover and evacuate comrades.
https://mawratanews.lk/news/three-ex...st-news/?amp=1
The Dentist.
A volunteer from Sri Lanka in Ukraine who died at the front trying to recover and evacuate comrades.
https://mawratanews.lk/news/three-ex...st-news/?amp=1
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Another Ukrainian traitor living in Russia appears to have suffered from acute blood loss.
The body of Ilya Kiva was found lying in a pool of blood in the park area of the hotel "Velich'Country Club" in the village of Suponevo, Odintsovo district of Moscow - Mash. Information about his death was also confirmed by Kremlin media.
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Ukraines wish come want list has just got mind blowing... I suppose if you do not ask, you do not get.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...8s-2023-12-06/
WASHINGTON, Dec 6 (Reuters) - Ukraine's latest list of U.S. weapons it says it needs to fight the Russian military includes sophisticated air defense systems, F-18 "Hornet" fighter jets, drones, Apache and Blackhawk helicopters, according to documents seen by Reuters.
Officials from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense presented a "list of armaments to meet the needs of defense forces of Ukraine" during a closed-door session of a conference in Washington on Wednesday attended by government officials and defense industry executives.
The comprehensive list included weapons Ukraine already has in stock like Abrams tanks and 155 millimeter artillery, as well some weaponry such as F-16s, drones and long-range ATACMS missiles that it has asked for in the past.
But the list has a few surprises including big-ticket items like C-17 Globemaster transport jets made by Boeing (BA.N) and the C-130 Super Hercules made by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N). Boeing's Apache attack helicopters made the list, as did the Black Hawk helicopter made by Lockheed Martin's Sikorsky unit.
But the Ukrainians did not stop there. The documents show Ukraine is also seeking F-18 "Hornet" fighter jets, three types of drones made by General Atomics including the MQ-9B Sky Guardian and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) air defense system made by Lockheed.
Ukrainians know they must secure Western military aid to carry on the fight.
Legislation that would provide billions of dollars in new security assistance for Ukraine and Israel was blocked in the U.S. Senate on Wednesday as Republicans pressed their demands for tougher measures to control immigration at the U.S. border with Mexico.
U.S. President Joe Biden has made a Ukrainian victory a foreign-policy goal as he campaigns for re-election in November 2024.
Ukraine's list reflects what would easily be billions of dollars' worth of purchases or donations of weapons.
The Ukrainian embassy in Washington did not immediately return a request for comment.
Officials from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense presented a "list of armaments to meet the needs of defense forces of Ukraine" during a closed-door session of a conference in Washington on Wednesday attended by government officials and defense industry executives.
The comprehensive list included weapons Ukraine already has in stock like Abrams tanks and 155 millimeter artillery, as well some weaponry such as F-16s, drones and long-range ATACMS missiles that it has asked for in the past.
But the list has a few surprises including big-ticket items like C-17 Globemaster transport jets made by Boeing (BA.N) and the C-130 Super Hercules made by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N). Boeing's Apache attack helicopters made the list, as did the Black Hawk helicopter made by Lockheed Martin's Sikorsky unit.
But the Ukrainians did not stop there. The documents show Ukraine is also seeking F-18 "Hornet" fighter jets, three types of drones made by General Atomics including the MQ-9B Sky Guardian and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) air defense system made by Lockheed.
Ukrainians know they must secure Western military aid to carry on the fight.
Legislation that would provide billions of dollars in new security assistance for Ukraine and Israel was blocked in the U.S. Senate on Wednesday as Republicans pressed their demands for tougher measures to control immigration at the U.S. border with Mexico.
U.S. President Joe Biden has made a Ukrainian victory a foreign-policy goal as he campaigns for re-election in November 2024.
Ukraine's list reflects what would easily be billions of dollars' worth of purchases or donations of weapons.
The Ukrainian embassy in Washington did not immediately return a request for comment.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...8s-2023-12-06/
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Donetsk fuel farm hit the other day.
Donetsk, in addition to the arrival of a warehouse with fuel and lubricant materials, there was also a successful hit by an AGM-88 HARM on air defense/radar.
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Grumblings in Russia over the time served on the frontline etc
"Hello. My name is __, I'm currently serving in military unit 122__ and I'm writing on behalf of a group of Russian military personnel. We hope that we will be able to stop the bad trend while we still have the opportunity.
Two days ago, the deputy political officer gathered the personnel and informed us verbally that our wives and mothers should not dare take part in any rallies to bring us home.
Moreover, they said that the FSB would monitor who was in the "protest groups" on social networks, and if they find anyone, there would be problems for both our family and for us.
So, our women and us, on the front lines in the trenches and mud, are being threatened by some office staff rats.
All our guys were very indignant at the order, and the political officer said that he did not like it either, but there was an order to inform everyone and warn us of our responsibility.
However, they did not force us to sign any papers, as would usually happen in such cases. Apparently, they are afraid that we will take pictures and share them with you and journalists.
The situation is absurd because we are all really fed up already and want to understand when we will come home, our wives also want to finally live normally as a full family and not wait for a funeral from one day to the next.
How are we and our wives worse than the cops and FSB officers? We do not see anything criminal in this (wives protesting), to return home is our only goal.
All this nonsense about the "hand of the CIA," CIPsO (Ukraine’s Special Forces Center for Information & Psychological Operations) and so on, the especially gifted can shove it up their asses, pardon my poor language.
Let them come here and tell us to our faces that our relatives are agents of the West, I would like to see it. I have honor."
“Yesterday we were informed about new measures, they said that wives who go to rallies will be detained and fined, for petitions and activity in social networks there will be a charge of discreditation (of the Russian army).
We, contract servicemen, were threatened that husbands of especially active women would end up in the Storm detachment (penal unit). We are now in the Kherson direction, where it's hot (heavy fighting), so it's a one-way ticket.
I don't know what to do with all this, I really want to go home, **** all this. If they take our wives, it's scary to imagine how it could end, we won't tolerate it.”
Recognizing the severity of the problem, the Kremlin fascists are trying to mitigate the situation by bribing military spouses not to protest.
Putin may find himself in a true conundrum - they can’t continue to bribe the spouses not to protest, nor can they risk arresting the military spouses.
Since there are over 400,000 families in Russia whose men are occupying Ukraine, this problem could turn into a catalyst of significant domestic developments in Russia.
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They are looking at extending the Neptune payload and adding 100Km to the range
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