Petit-Lion

This pretty much sums up what the Kremlin thinks the situation should be. Too much adverbs, too.

T28B

This is still PPRuNe, Petit-Lion. While we are not in the Jet Blast forum, the grammarians will suspect that you meant to type "Too many adverbs, too."

A note on the proposed "missile shield" from a few posts up: there have been a number of NATO projects over the years whose aim has been to establish something similar over the alliance nations.
This lends some credibility to the idea of extending it to include Ukraine.
Tartiflette Fan, that the larger questions to answer on that score are political is heartily agreed.

Tartiflette Fan

Given both the very great costs - and not only to Germany - involved in this, plus clear cut ministerial responsibilities, I think any announcement about that would either come from Scholz , or Pistorius ( which would also assure that any public approval would go to the SPD and not the Greens ). As I said,I think that was just a (meaningless ) nod in the required direction, certainly not prompted by any up-coming policy initiative. The ESSI is still really just a vote-catching idea in a politician's eye which can garner public support for years , before actual money has to be invested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...eld_Initiative European Sky Shield Initiative.European Sky Shield Initiative.

ORAC

The Russian Ministry of Defense confirms that a Russian Su-24MR crashed during a training flight near Volgograd.



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rattman

Theres rumors that the a Ukrainian airforce is operating with impunity over sections of the front line. Even the russian telegrams are saying that the VDV has been under heavy airstrikes form JDAM/JDAM-ER

Also drydock at sevastapol has been hit as well. Sat photos from 18 hours ago show both a ropoucha and a kilo SSK docked up. The Ropoucha is confirmed on fire. Doing its own version of the Bonhelm Richards

Obba

Re: All this Star Link and Elon refusing GPS access etc.

AFAIK, Starlink (Space X), and the US Defense are 'making' a Star Shield.
That it will have less quantity of Sats, but wholly operated by the US Defense.

ORAC

Not strictly true.

SpaceX has set up Starshield to offer services to national security customers and to host payloads - but it will remain a SpaceX company. What the DoD want is to piggy back their own satellite comms on the SpaceX constellation.

https://www.spacex.com/starshield/

https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/...ex_satellites/

NutLoose

And this all ties in nicely with the raids on the oil rigs and the equipment that has probably left a big hole in Russias detection capability, I wonder if the ship is the one previously damaged?

NutLoose

I would have thought it is not a good selling point to foreign countries that the DOD also has access to the network though

fdr

So, a Kilo, a sister ship of those that fired missiles at Ukraine civilians appears to have had a bad day. Or night. And a Ropucha, one of the sister ships of those that invaded the Sea of Azov ports of Ukraine causing misery while committing crimes, seems to be in need of a touch up. I am sad that it took until mid September the year after before the sub took a hit. Every sub in the Black Sea that has been involved in crimes against humanity should be taken out, with or without the South Efrikan apologists assistance. As much as the technology of Falcon-9 is interesting, being a balance against the wackadoodle concept of 1.0M Republican voters freeing Mars from "Demoncrats", at the cost of messing up the NEO planetary defence efforts of the adults in the room, and the joys of providing a transfer of energy source from oil to.... well, oil, for the plug 'n play cars, I think playing around with Ukrainian defence is going to come back up like a fur ball at some point. I guess when your supply chain for rare earth materials to make the T's go further between bonfires places bits of tender anatomy in range of the dear leaders of PRC and RUS.

The US being dependent on the whim of a single stable jenius probably looks faaaantastic at this point, but when the tail catches up to the pointy end of the programs, I hope that will remain the case.

When the maffs of Starlink make sense to anyone, can they explain that please? I have tried to do those sums, and feel like I should be chewing on the crayon with the figgers that come out.

I sure hope that the reduced latency is a fair trade to having a miserable morning from a planet killer that was hiding in plane site.... (Finally, aeronautical subject matter!).

Rant over, kind of, the Ukrainians need friends that withheld defensive capability at a whim like they need more terrorist neighbours. Every strike against the criminally occupied territories of Crimea and the rest of the territory that is legally Ukrainian, according to international law, is a chance to save civilians in Ukraine from the criminal and his consorts, who seem to all go to the same barbershop. If smoking a "key" in Crimea brings on round 3.0, then I guess it was going to happen anyway, and perhaps there is a need to take up sweepstakes to go and enjoy the scenery of a desert planet. A world that acts in unison, with the full (yeah, a joke) support of the UN would have a lower risk of the EOTWAWKI than the BS that we and some others with bad hair are engaging in.

ORAC

Nutloose,

The DoD have their own concerns - which is, as previously posted, they’re having long chats, Musk is being called to talk to Congress, and wartime use will b3 explicitly added to any future contracts….

Ukraine War Thread Part 2

NutLoose

Following last nights attack, I believe that this morning, Russia has come up with a tactic to counter the attacks on their subs.

rattman

even more funny when you consider that tiles on subs made for noise reduction are made from rubber

NutLoose

More on the attacks last night.

ORAC

All reports indicate that Neptune was used, not Storm Shadow.

NutLoose

Locations of fires in Sevastopol

NutLoose

Hmmmm, regardless, judging by the fires they are going to need to put them in a dry dock for some considerable time.... Ohh wait, they already are


And the translation.. notice "Storming".... I wonder.


Everything I have read says Scalp or Storm Shadow

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Stor...ertical=trends

rattman

Head of UAF confirmed it was SU-24's so unless they have figured out how to integrate neptune / harpoon only real option is storm shadow / scalp

fdr

The boat was the Rostov-na-Donu, B237. I guess the Krasnodar can have a captain from B237 to make up for the jogger blogger. The Novocherkassk or Caesar Kunikov were damaged previously out of Berdiansk, and may be the grillers, but word is it was the Minsk! Wonder if Sasha, the last diktaster of Europe takes a hint from that. IIRC, B237 had been in dry dock since before Vlad had his dummy spit. Anyway, fewer Kalibr tossers for the tossers on the 6th floor is probably a good start. The Ropucha's have had a bit of a tuff time, another one is still licking its stinging bits after taking a hit but not the hint a few weeks back by a skidoo. B237 entered the Black Sea on 13 February, 2022, seems while Vlad was professing brotherly love he was getting his ducks in a row.

GeeRam

Obviously what they had in mind when they took out that S400 radar site in north-west Crimea the other week with that Marines raid, which it would seem Russia has not been able to replace?