Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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If there is ANY truth in this, then the UN is effectively finished as a credible entity.
They're going to rethink the design of the Abrams to be more in line of what can be expected of the 2040's battlefield?
What rock are these people living under?
If they'd redesigned the darn thing three years ago to be aligned with the battlespace of 2023 it's be so out of date drone and RPV wise it's be a joke.
And yet they propose to forsee designs against what's going to happen in 18 years time? They just haben't got the message, have they?
As for 'reduced logistical burdens - how about losing the phenomenally thirsty gas turbine which needs to run 24/7 if the tank is to remain functional even when parked? Or have they eventually got around to a diesel APU?
What rock are these people living under?
If they'd redesigned the darn thing three years ago to be aligned with the battlespace of 2023 it's be so out of date drone and RPV wise it's be a joke.
And yet they propose to forsee designs against what's going to happen in 18 years time? They just haben't got the message, have they?
As for 'reduced logistical burdens - how about losing the phenomenally thirsty gas turbine which needs to run 24/7 if the tank is to remain functional even when parked? Or have they eventually got around to a diesel APU?
They're going to rethink the design of the Abrams to be more in line of what can be expected of the 2040's battlefield?
What rock are these people living under?
If they'd redesigned the darn thing three years ago to be aligned with the battlespace of 2023 it's be so out of date drone and RPV wise it's be a joke.
And yet they propose to forsee designs against what's going to happen in 18 years time? They just haben't got the message, have they?
As for 'reduced logistical burdens - how about losing the phenomenally thirsty gas turbine which needs to run 24/7 if the tank is to remain functional even when parked? Or have they eventually got around to a diesel APU?
What rock are these people living under?
If they'd redesigned the darn thing three years ago to be aligned with the battlespace of 2023 it's be so out of date drone and RPV wise it's be a joke.
And yet they propose to forsee designs against what's going to happen in 18 years time? They just haben't got the message, have they?
As for 'reduced logistical burdens - how about losing the phenomenally thirsty gas turbine which needs to run 24/7 if the tank is to remain functional even when parked? Or have they eventually got around to a diesel APU?
They voted for this tank with a turbine-engine - and its known disadvantages - so what has changed since then to reverse that decision and require a huge modification ?
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
As for 'reduced logistical burdens - how about losing the phenomenally thirsty gas turbine which needs to run 24/7 if the tank is to remain functional even when parked? Or have they eventually got around to a diesel APU?
https://www.dieselprogress.com/news/...031881.article
Hybrid engine planned for SEPv4.
https://www.technology.org/2022/10/0...c-abrams-m1a2/
If there is ANY truth in this, then the UN is effectively finished as a credible entity.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...74219555061761
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...74219555061761
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Google Bild. Not everything you read on Twitter/X is true.
For those who didn’t want to believe this story bc it was Bild, @UN confirmed the story to Reuters (after refusing to respond to Bild when confronted with the letter):
https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...al-2023-09-07/
UN working on guarantees for Russia to restore grain deal, Moscow skeptical
Sept 7 (Reuters) - The United Nations is "actively engaged" in trying to improve Russia's grain and fertilizer exports in a bid to convince Moscow to again allow the safe Black Sea export of Ukraine grain, Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Thursday.
"We believe that it's necessary to create a system of mutual guarantee," Guterres told reporters on the sidelines of the Association of South East Asian Nations summit in Jakarta.
"Guarantee that the Russian Federation is able, indeed, to overcome difficulties that still exist, even if many have been solved and, at the same time, guarantees that we that we will have the restoration of the Black Sea initiative," he said.
Guterres last week sent Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov "a set of concrete proposals" aimed at reviving the Black Sea grain deal, which Russia quit in July - a year after it was brokered by the United Nations and Turkey……
Russia's Foreign Ministry on Wednesday dismissed the U.N. bid to revive the Black Sea deal as "a new dose of promises."
It also publicly outlined the proposals made by Guterres in his letter to Lavrov: "reconnecting a subsidiary of the Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT, creating an insurance platform, unblocking the foreign assets of Russian fertiliser producers and enabling our ships to enter European ports."
"In exchange, they want Russia to guarantee that the Black Sea Initiative resumes immediately and in full," the ministry said in a statement.
A U.N. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed Russia's description of the U.N. proposals…..
When something sounds outrageous (especially if it's got Igor Sushko's name on it) it can be revealing to seek out the original source. Thank you Orac for reproducing the text of the original Reuters posting. It describes the UN exploring the possibility of reestablishing the grain deal upon which large swathes of humanity rely for food, and doing so by adapting certain aspects of the sanctions regime to allow a matching reeastablishment of Russian food exports.
In Jessica Berlin's telling this becomes "major sanctions relief, unfreezing frozen RU assets, ..." with no contextual reference to the focus on food provision.
In Igor Sushkos telling this becomes "secret negotiations with fascists to fund genocide".
In Nutloose's summation this becomes "the UN is finished as a credible entity".
Which Orac then pivots into some sort of commentary on the German media spectrum.
And thus reality is created.
I'm no fan of Russia, nor particularly of the UN, but this is a case of the UN doing their job, of trying to find common ground amongst their members for the benefit of humanity within the fractious circumstance of international conflict. Russia then nixed it. It must be a "slow news day" for this to be pinging on the outrage radars.
In Jessica Berlin's telling this becomes "major sanctions relief, unfreezing frozen RU assets, ..." with no contextual reference to the focus on food provision.
In Igor Sushkos telling this becomes "secret negotiations with fascists to fund genocide".
In Nutloose's summation this becomes "the UN is finished as a credible entity".
Which Orac then pivots into some sort of commentary on the German media spectrum.
And thus reality is created.
I'm no fan of Russia, nor particularly of the UN, but this is a case of the UN doing their job, of trying to find common ground amongst their members for the benefit of humanity within the fractious circumstance of international conflict. Russia then nixed it. It must be a "slow news day" for this to be pinging on the outrage radars.
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Russia committs more war crimes by actively attacking grain silos and carriers, and then squeels about sanctions. Russia is free to sanction Ukraine if it wants.
We shouldn't negotiate with criminals to stop their crimes.
We shouldn't negotiate with criminals to stop their crimes.
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I know, I know…. But this is seriously funny, contains the odd swear word and is a potted history.
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Interesting ISW SITREP today concerning Russian comms, EW and artillery coordination.
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ptember-8-2023
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ptember-8-2023
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Time for another strike…
Russian repair crews working on the Crimean Bridge recently replaced a section damaged by Ukraine's strike in July, new satellite imagery shows.
The new span was put in place earlier this week, as previously reported by @kromark.
Imagery from @kromark shows the new section was added between September 3rd and 5th.
Russian repair crews working on the Crimean Bridge recently replaced a section damaged by Ukraine's strike in July, new satellite imagery shows.
The new span was put in place earlier this week, as previously reported by @kromark.
Imagery from @kromark shows the new section was added between September 3rd and 5th.
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Gee, I wonder what will secure the Gripen in the competitive marketplace, ie real world performance fighting the ruskis.
https://frontierindia.com/will-saabs...e-arms-market/
Having been successfully transferred to countries like the Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa, and Thailand, the “Gripen” fighter plane had a good sales run in the past. Around that time, Saab projected that the Gripen could produce 400–450 aircraft in both single- and twin-seat versions.
But in the last ten years, the “Gripen” hasn’t gotten many fresh orders after losing out in international military aircraft competitions to the U.S. F-35A, the “F-16V,” and the “Rafale.” Despite being more expensive, “traditional clients” like Thailand, the Czech Republic, and nearby countries like Denmark, Norway, and Finland are buying F-35 fighter planes. If Sweden successfully joins NATO, Swedish defence equipment will have increased market access in NATO nations.
But in the last ten years, the “Gripen” hasn’t gotten many fresh orders after losing out in international military aircraft competitions to the U.S. F-35A, the “F-16V,” and the “Rafale.” Despite being more expensive, “traditional clients” like Thailand, the Czech Republic, and nearby countries like Denmark, Norway, and Finland are buying F-35 fighter planes. If Sweden successfully joins NATO, Swedish defence equipment will have increased market access in NATO nations.
Ok, who has made an order of a Kinzhal missile and is capable of promising a residence in any NATO country?
I can't believe what I'm reading!
"Oh, Vlad, do please stop shooting for six hours guys, we're recharging - this just isn't sportng you know!"
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Seriously? An electric tank???? I thought they wanted to make them lighter an more manoeuverable, not more bloated and crippled for range.
I can't believe what I'm reading!
"Oh, Vlad, do please stop shooting for six hours guys, we're recharging - this just isn't sportng you know!"
I can't believe what I'm reading!
"Oh, Vlad, do please stop shooting for six hours guys, we're recharging - this just isn't sportng you know!"
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Self-evidently ..? Well, that makes as much sense as a new engine that doesn't use any fuel at all, and can be fitted intoi the tank with no major problems and no delays in maintenance . .
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For the sake of a minor diversion from the thread.
The reason why the US chose a gas turbine, with far higher fuel consumption than a diesel, engine was because of the torque it provided at low RPM.
They were offered a diesel replacement and previously rejected it for the same reason.
Switching to a hybrid diesel engine* halves fuel consumption, gets around the problem because, as those with electric vehicles know, the torque from electric drive motors is massive.
Plus of course you do away with the need for an APU, can boost power when needed, and can tactically operate silently for short periods.
* https://www.armadainternational.com/...bt-technology/
“. …. “Another major change in ABRAMS-X is the adoption of a hybrid power pak. It employs an advanced Cummings diesel engine at the primary power source with the addition of electric batteries in a parallel configuration. Here electric supplies power in low demand periods like stationary operation, in silent watch as well as offering exportable power. Diesel drives the tank with electric available to augment power needs at high demand periods.
The vehicle as configured meets current range demands with 50 percent less fuel but the design could be altered to increase this range. The new power approach also contributes to reducing the overall tank weight, reversing a trend in MBT’s which potentially impacts on their suitability where transportation infrastructure, particularly roads and bridges, is less developed.”….
The reason why the US chose a gas turbine, with far higher fuel consumption than a diesel, engine was because of the torque it provided at low RPM.
They were offered a diesel replacement and previously rejected it for the same reason.
Switching to a hybrid diesel engine* halves fuel consumption, gets around the problem because, as those with electric vehicles know, the torque from electric drive motors is massive.
Plus of course you do away with the need for an APU, can boost power when needed, and can tactically operate silently for short periods.
* https://www.armadainternational.com/...bt-technology/
“. …. “Another major change in ABRAMS-X is the adoption of a hybrid power pak. It employs an advanced Cummings diesel engine at the primary power source with the addition of electric batteries in a parallel configuration. Here electric supplies power in low demand periods like stationary operation, in silent watch as well as offering exportable power. Diesel drives the tank with electric available to augment power needs at high demand periods.
The vehicle as configured meets current range demands with 50 percent less fuel but the design could be altered to increase this range. The new power approach also contributes to reducing the overall tank weight, reversing a trend in MBT’s which potentially impacts on their suitability where transportation infrastructure, particularly roads and bridges, is less developed.”….
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