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Old 18th Jul 2023, 13:52
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Originally Posted by hugh flung_dung
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You're generally doing a grand job but that link is from 9 months ago, and the recent "Russians are advancing" post was a laughable fake. I thank you for providing all the info that you do, but a little scrutiny might be appropriate before posting things that are clearly old or garbage.

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Does it being 9 months old make it less relevant?

As for the Russians advancing in the Kupyan region, that contained two separate post from two separate individuals. But hey ho, there are lots of links referring to it.... read below

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Mastiff hit by two mines, all survived, looks repairable.


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F-16 training heads up


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Looks llike they are attempting to lift the twisted bridge span and the factory at the other end is open judging by the car park, that was the place that produced the last repairs IIRC

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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Looks llike they are attempting to lift the twisted bridge span and the factory at the other end is open judging by the car park, that was the place that produced the last repairs IIRC



https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/sta...68666912976896
I am always amazed that people are so desperate for "Likes" and attention that they post up to the minute intelligence for the enemy to use.
The Ukrainians are pretty hot on stopping this, but not always successfully. The Russians however are just dumb.
Remembering the old WWII posters, "The Walls Have Ears," the Russians need to start their own campaign.
"Idiots have phones too."

Here's hoping the Ukrainians hit the bridge again soon and take out that crane at the same time. As a crane that powerful will likely be in short supply, with no civi human shields in the way.
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russian su-25 crashed in yeysk on the azov sea... the pilot ejected but ended up drowning.

now russians on telegram are bvtthurt that none of the people on shore seemed to care, they just kept on drinking beer and swimming even though there were a lot of jet skis around and an enterprising person could have reached the pilot and helped bring him to shore....

this is the result of conscious russian government policy for 20 years telling people to stay out of politics and don't look out for each other and if you do show initiative you'll be punished....

twitter.com/clashreport/status/1681256017286381569

as for the pilot, I won't say I'm happy he died but at least he won't be attacking any Ukrainian civilians now....
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Oligarchs could pay for the restoration of Kerch bridge - it would be an example of social justice, propagandists think.
I like “we have ways to incentivise these people”! As developed and practiced on the frontline with reluctant conscripts perhaps?
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Are you suggesting it was posed?
Not at all.
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 15:57
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2
I like “we have ways to incentivise these people”! As developed and practiced on the frontline with reluctant conscripts perhaps?
Herr Flick with a new employer, perhaps?
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Originally Posted by Fortyodd2
"Doesn't look like any of those present offered the girl any help or comfort".

That's not a priority - Sadly. Far more important to get it all on camera and onto Farcebroke/Twatter/Instercrumb to boost one's own profile
Yes, unfortunately.
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 16:01
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Looks llike they are attempting to lift the twisted bridge span and the factory at the other end is open judging by the car park, that was the place that produced the last repairs IIRC



https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/sta...68666912976896
Not sure what you mean by the twisted span? Looks to me as if that crane is connected to the Northern (Westbound) carriageway. They may be trying to shift it back or just to support it to stop it going further.
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With regard to the bridge, I am puzzled as to why Ukraine doesn't finish the job? Perhaps I'm naively missing something?
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Putin: “If you destroy my bridge…”

The Ukes: “Well, we could, anytime. Mind if we just bend it a little to show you, then?”
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Originally Posted by ea200
Not sure what you mean by the twisted span? Looks to me as if that crane is connected to the Northern (Westbound) carriageway. They may be trying to shift it back or just to support it to stop it going further.
I'm no expert but that crane does not look hefty enough to me to lift a bridge span, especially angled that far from its base. I think it more likely that they are leaving the offset between sections of the far span as is for now and just dropping some plate steel across the gap so that vehicles can continue to drive over.


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Or a manbasket to do inspection.
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The naughty boy in me wants to put another bomb under a bit ot the bridge somwhere behind all that plant and leave it marooned.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
The naughty boy in me wants to put another bomb under a bit ot the bridge somwhere behind all that plant and leave it marooned.
I think your bomb might be better placed on the railway line!
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey
I am always amazed that people are so desperate for "Likes" and attention that they post up to the minute intelligence for the enemy to use.<br />The Ukrainians are pretty hot on stopping this, but not always successfully. The Russians however are just dumb. Remembering the old WWII posters, "The Walls Have Ears," the Russians need to start their own campaign. "Idiots have phones too."
Personally, I'm always amazed at the self-promoted internet "intelligence expert" Walts who so self-righteously, pompously and delusionally lecture us against anything posted on Twatter etc as "up to the minute intelligence for the enemy to use." In this day and age of satellites and electronic surveillance the last place an "enemy" is ever to find anything operationally useful is on PPRuNe.
Sadly too many "Idiots have phone internet connections too."
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Originally Posted by ea200
Not sure what you mean by the twisted span? Looks to me as if that crane is connected to the Northern (Westbound) carriageway. They may be trying to shift it back or just to support it to stop it going further.
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I would agree with you that the crane in the picture will only be there to stabilise stuff. The bridge I believe was built by using a cradle crane incorporated in the assembly yards and then mobiles and barges going by photos. Therefore taking out cranes could well stop an early fix. Judging by construction photos a few larger cranes will be required.

If it is the case of a cradle in the assembly yard, then taking that out which will be somewhere close on the approach, imaybe useful, as it may not be as well guarded as the bridge itself. It may well require Western tech to operate and even the assembly cranes may well require western tech. However I am sure someone will have looked at that in more detail, who are closer to the action than PPRuNE !

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Old 18th Jul 2023, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2
I think your bomb might be better placed on the railway line!
That lacks subtlety. It would be fun to see how much heavy plant you could get caught on the bridge. One could do the same trick with the railway and see if you can get a train trapped in the middle.
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