RAF says transgender cadets can wear uniform of either sex and advises on chest binde
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RAF says transgender cadets can wear uniform of either sex and advises on chest binders
RAF says transgender cadets can wear uniform of either sex and advises on chest binders
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1st Apr 2023, 10:07
It is no biggy. If you think about it, all that is being done is to allow whatever process a child may be going thorough to continue during a weekly Cadet meeting or Summer Camp. The DT has totally misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented what the Air Cadets are as an organisation, implying they are part of the RAF rather than a youth organisation for teenagers interested in the RAF. You can also be assured that nothing would be done without parental consent as the laws covering the management of youth organisation are quite stringent.
IMHO it is significant. I've had my kids coming back from school and questioning their gender. My daughter declared she was transexual because her teacher told her so. When I dug a little deeper she had no real understanding of what being transexual actually means and had completely misinterpreted what her teacher was saying. Exposing young people, who through immaturity lack the ability to properly comprehend what they are being taught, to complex gender theories is causing much more issues than it is solving.
As a society we are absolutely playing with fire over these gender concepts. We have no idea of the damage we are doing to our young people in this crazy experiment that appears to me to be about accommodating a very small minority of people. At my work we were told we had to append pronouns to our e-mails and I've yet to see anyone use a pronoun that isn't either he or her and every single person is identifying with their biological sex.
All this change has happened slowly and without our consent. Organisations and charities have been lobbying behind closed doors and coercing people into compliance with their ideological viewpoints. If you speak out now you are vilified, and even hounded on social media. There is no possibility of debate on this topic anymore. And it's very disappointing to see that the RAF has now also found themselves sucked into this nonsense.
Please reassure me - Is this April Fool?
RAF says transgender cadets can wear uniform of either sex and advises on chest binders
RAF says transgender cadets can wear uniform of either sex and advises on chest binders
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A question if people don't mind; is it due to the nature of a changing society that it has become necessary for youth organisations to seek guidance on gender transition/reassignment ? Male and female Army/Navy/Air cadets have existed harmoniously for ages. A male cadet wearing a female uniform or vice versa isn't controversial, but getting guidance what has been portrayed as a radical organisation such as Mermaids would seem risky.
I speak as an "oldie" who was in the Scouts prior to joining the Army at age 16. The Scouts of my youth taught self reliance, survival skills, basic bushcraft etc. Gender issues weren't thought of at all, I guess because in the 60s and early 70s they were less of an issue.
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I speak as an "oldie" who was in the Scouts prior to joining the Army at age 16. The Scouts of my youth taught self reliance, survival skills, basic bushcraft etc. Gender issues weren't thought of at all, I guess because in the 60s and early 70s they were less of an issue.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
All organisation working with children have a duty of safeguarding - otherwise the6 are at risk of being sued or fac8ng cr8minalmcharges if anything untoward occurs.
In the case it flows down from the MOD - JSP 834.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...2_Nov_2021.pdf
https://www.sea-cadets.org/userfiles...work_Sep19.pdf
Do a google search in organisations and safeguarding and you’ll find the Army, RAF and Sea Cadet forces near the top of the list.
In the case it flows down from the MOD - JSP 834.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...2_Nov_2021.pdf
https://www.sea-cadets.org/userfiles...work_Sep19.pdf
Do a google search in organisations and safeguarding and you’ll find the Army, RAF and Sea Cadet forces near the top of the list.
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A question that is often asked is what uniform? Which fitness test? Which toilet?
Well done RAFAC for addressing REAL issues that are happening out the right now.
Some of you might not like it, but this is the world we are now in. There are some GREAT kids out there who deserve equal chances. A choice of uniform is not going to affect any of us
Well done RAFAC for addressing REAL issues that are happening out the right now.
Some of you might not like it, but this is the world we are now in. There are some GREAT kids out there who deserve equal chances. A choice of uniform is not going to affect any of us
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The approach taken by gender advocacy groups like Mermaids and Stonewall has been to avoid public or Parliamentary debate of their causes and secure change through directly influencing policy makers, whether that be ministers, civil servants, companies' HR departments, HQ Air Cadets, or whatever. As we've seen with the closure of the Tavistock Centre and the rapid undoing of the Scottish Government's gender recognition agenda, it has fallen squarely on the Press to bring such matters to public attention, and (in the Tavistock's case) for the courts to host the difficult conversations which result. I am sure that without the threat of such scrutiny, there would be many more examples of such overreach. So I welcome light being shone into these corners, even if it turns out there is nothing to see in each individual case, because it keeps change within the bounds which society as a whole is prepared to tolerate.
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It really is a non story IMHO. The Scouts, Guides and other youth organisations will be facing and addressing the same issues. The DT is trying to stir things up to provide read meat for its readership. All that is being proposed is that for the couple of hours the a Cadet meeting takes, any child that is experiencing an issue with their gender can continue during the meeting as they did before and will do after.
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It is no biggy. If you think about it, all that is being done is to allow whatever process a child may be going thorough to continue during a weekly Cadet meeting or Summer Camp. The DT has totally misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented what the Air Cadets are as an organisation, implying they are part of the RAF rather than a youth organisation for teenagers interested in the RAF. You can also be assured that nothing would be done without parental consent as the laws covering the management of youth organisation are quite stringent.
IMHO it is significant. I've had my kids coming back from school and questioning their gender. My daughter declared she was transexual because her teacher told her so. When I dug a little deeper she had no real understanding of what being transexual actually means and had completely misinterpreted what her teacher was saying. Exposing young people, who through immaturity lack the ability to properly comprehend what they are being taught, to complex gender theories is causing much more issues than it is solving.
As a society we are absolutely playing with fire over these gender concepts. We have no idea of the damage we are doing to our young people in this crazy experiment that appears to me to be about accommodating a very small minority of people. At my work we were told we had to append pronouns to our e-mails and I've yet to see anyone use a pronoun that isn't either he or her and every single person is identifying with their biological sex.
All this change has happened slowly and without our consent. Organisations and charities have been lobbying behind closed doors and coercing people into compliance with their ideological viewpoints. If you speak out now you are vilified, and even hounded on social media. There is no possibility of debate on this topic anymore. And it's very disappointing to see that the RAF has now also found themselves sucked into this nonsense.
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IMHO it is significant. I've had my kids coming back from school and questioning their gender. My daughter declared she was transexual because her teacher told her so. When I dug a little deeper she had no real understanding of what being transexual actually means and had completely misinterpreted what her teacher was saying. Exposing young people, who through immaturity lack the ability to properly comprehend what they are being taught, to complex gender theories is causing much more issues than it is solving.
As a society we are absolutely playing with fire over these gender concepts. We have no idea of the damage we are doing to our young people in this crazy experiment that appears to me to be about accommodating a very small minority of people. At my work we were told we had to append pronouns to our e-mails and I've yet to see anyone use a pronoun that isn't either he or her and every single person is identifying with their biological sex.
All this change has happened slowly and without our consent. Organisations and charities have been lobbying behind closed doors and coercing people into compliance with their ideological viewpoints. If you speak out now you are vilified, and even hounded on social media. There is no possibility of debate on this topic anymore. And it's very disappointing to see that the RAF has now also found themselves sucked into this nonsense.
As a society we are absolutely playing with fire over these gender concepts. We have no idea of the damage we are doing to our young people in this crazy experiment that appears to me to be about accommodating a very small minority of people. At my work we were told we had to append pronouns to our e-mails and I've yet to see anyone use a pronoun that isn't either he or her and every single person is identifying with their biological sex.
All this change has happened slowly and without our consent. Organisations and charities have been lobbying behind closed doors and coercing people into compliance with their ideological viewpoints. If you speak out now you are vilified, and even hounded on social media. There is no possibility of debate on this topic anymore. And it's very disappointing to see that the RAF has now also found themselves sucked into this nonsense.
The only thing the Cadets can do is respect the parents wishes, whatever they are and that requires a policy.
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I instruct at my local RAFAC Sqn, I have heard nothing regarding this and don’t really see it as an issue. We have a good bunch of boys and a few girls, the parents are mostly quite close to matters so I don’t think there could be any possibility of things happening without their knowledge. Most of the girls wear trousers just like the boys do, if the latter wanted to wear a skirt then so what?
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There are and always have been, some people with genuine gender dysmorphia - I have worked with a couple - but the number of people, especially young ones, identifying as the opposite gender (or even none at all) is way out of proportion presently.
The gender fluidity issues (whilst absolutely genuine for some) seem to be mired in fashionable lifestyle choices and the desires of easily influenced young minds to want to mimic the fashion/music/social media 'stars' they are bombarded with daily.
The gender fluidity issues (whilst absolutely genuine for some) seem to be mired in fashionable lifestyle choices and the desires of easily influenced young minds to want to mimic the fashion/music/social media 'stars' they are bombarded with daily.
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Although the article has a quote from an 'insider' that reads: “If a child decides they are trans and tells the group instructor then that instructor is not allowed to tell their parents.”, this is probably the most concerning aspect of the article for me.
And this policy isn't addressed the issue, it's fuelling it by normalising what is still a controversial theory amongst many parents.
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Although the article has a quote from an 'insider' that reads: “If a child decides they are trans and tells the group instructor then that instructor is not allowed to tell their parents.”, this is probably the most concerning aspect of the article for me.
And this policy isn't addressed the issue, it's fuelling it by normalising what is still a controversial theory amongst many parents.
And this policy isn't addressed the issue, it's fuelling it by normalising what is still a controversial theory amongst many parents.
However, this is not a societal issue and should not be laid at the door of the Air Cadets to solve.
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My son is at sixth form college where the trans agenda is being actively promoted. He's told me they are actively screwing young people up.
The whole gender / trans debate is utterly sickening. I would be avoiding the RAF Air Cadets quite frankly. I expect many parents will after that news iten. It's the one issue that is really uniting people against the insanity that comes out of the Department for Education.
The whole gender / trans debate is utterly sickening. I would be avoiding the RAF Air Cadets quite frankly. I expect many parents will after that news iten. It's the one issue that is really uniting people against the insanity that comes out of the Department for Education.
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Simples. You've either got one or you haven't ! Don't lets start ANOTHER industry staffed by inadequates.
OK, coat...........
OK, coat...........
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and had completely misinterpreted what her teacher was saying.
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My son is at sixth form college where the trans agenda is being actively promoted. He's told me they are actively screwing young people up.
The whole gender / trans debate is utterly sickening. I would be avoiding the RAF Air Cadets quite frankly. I expect many parents will after that news iten. It's the one issue that is really uniting people against the insanity that comes out of the Department for Education.
The whole gender / trans debate is utterly sickening. I would be avoiding the RAF Air Cadets quite frankly. I expect many parents will after that news iten. It's the one issue that is really uniting people against the insanity that comes out of the Department for Education.
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Although the article has a quote from an 'insider' that reads: “If a child decides they are trans and tells the group instructor then that instructor is not allowed to tell their parents.”, this is probably the most concerning aspect of the article for me.
Many children come from homes and backgrounds where being known to be gay or trans would lead to physical, let alone mental abuse. I personally know one trans girl who got thrown out of her home and ended up on the streets until a charity took her in - same thing happens to many others when they are "outed".
Parents don't own children and don't always know best. If a child shares such information in confidence the recipient, whether a teacher or a cadet instructor, is obliged not to inform anyone apart from the appropriately trained safeguarding officials in the chain of organisation. They are protected under both privacy and GDPR regulations.*
Those who have broken that rule have been sacked for gross misconduct and the punishment upheld in employment tribunal judgements.
*See section 8.
https://tinyurl.com/ycyd5ymr
That's actually the law.
Many children come from homes and backgrounds where being known to be gay or trans would lead to physical, let alone mental abuse. I personally know one trans girl who got thrown out of her home and ended up on the streets until a charity took her in - same thing happens to many others when they are "outed".
Parents don't own children and don't always know best. If a child shares such information in confidence the recipient, whether a teacher or a cadet instructor, is obliged not to inform anyone apart from the appropriately trained safeguarding officials in the chain of organisation. They are protected under both privacy and GDPR regulations.*
Many children come from homes and backgrounds where being known to be gay or trans would lead to physical, let alone mental abuse. I personally know one trans girl who got thrown out of her home and ended up on the streets until a charity took her in - same thing happens to many others when they are "outed".
Parents don't own children and don't always know best. If a child shares such information in confidence the recipient, whether a teacher or a cadet instructor, is obliged not to inform anyone apart from the appropriately trained safeguarding officials in the chain of organisation. They are protected under both privacy and GDPR regulations.*
The Prime Minister says:
"These are really sensitive areas, it's important that we treat them sensitively, and that parents know what's going on, and we'll make sure that that happens."
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