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Isn't it the case that these airframes were ones which became surplus to requirements at MFTS Shawbury when it was realised somewhat late in the day (the cabin size issue) that they had too many 135s and not enough 145s. Under an apparent MoD/MFTS face-saving arrangement more 145s were procured with the surplus 135s suddenly and conveniently meeting P. MATCHA's requirements. Given that public money has funded all this, it would seem quite appropriate for the airframes to go to NPAS to address some of their woes.
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Possibly pre delivery prep etc or warranty work?
One thing though, if the MOD has accepted them and put them in storage, the warranty will still be running that would cover parts etc for a period of time, so I would imagine they may be losing out on that too.
One thing though, if the MOD has accepted them and put them in storage, the warranty will still be running that would cover parts etc for a period of time, so I would imagine they may be losing out on that too.
Isn't it the case that these airframes were ones which became surplus to requirements at MFTS Shawbury when it was realised somewhat late in the day (the cabin size issue) that they had too many 135s and not enough 145s. Under an apparent MoD/MFTS face-saving arrangement more 145s were procured with the surplus 135s suddenly and conveniently meeting P. MATCHA's requirements. Given that public money has funded all this, it would seem quite appropriate for the airframes to go to NPAS to address some of their woes.
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Nutty,do you really think anyone in MOD can think about the `future`,apart from their pensions...?
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True, so true
Thanks for the clarification - so the 1st sentence I wrote, in which I clearly said 'I believe' because I was not sure, is incorrect, hence why I said 'I believe' and not 'I know'. You have been very helpful.
However, your statement is misleading. The extra 145's were bought because Ascent selected the H135 for rearcrew training, despite people informing them at them that it was unfit for purpose. They then needed to buy additional H145's to train rearcrew as they finally were forced to admit, after many months of insisting the H135 was suitable, that it was not. The H145's were needed so that Ascent could actually train rearcrew.
The H145's were bought so Ascent could actually meet the contract they had signed and this demonstrated beyond doubt the utter incompetence of the Ascent model.
However, your statement is misleading. The extra 145's were bought because Ascent selected the H135 for rearcrew training, despite people informing them at them that it was unfit for purpose. They then needed to buy additional H145's to train rearcrew as they finally were forced to admit, after many months of insisting the H135 was suitable, that it was not. The H145's were needed so that Ascent could actually train rearcrew.
The H145's were bought so Ascent could actually meet the contract they had signed and this demonstrated beyond doubt the utter incompetence of the Ascent model.
which aspect was not fit for purpose?
The cabin and cabin doors were found to be too small to allow adequate movement, visibility and access for instructors to safely and effectively train and supervise students.
I'm sure someone else can give you chapter and verse but that's what it boils down to.
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Is the H135 that tight and visibility that bad? In Hunland they are used as ambulance helicopters all over the place, landing at odd and unknown sites and picking up patients including some lying on stretchers.
Hunland? WTF? That’s ignoring the total irrelevance of the rest of the post.
Lack of suitable space in the back of H135 is by far the primary driver for the H145 requirement. One cannot move freely, instruct, winch or carry spare students in order to demonstrate best practice in an H135. The lack of space in the H135 also means that people are crouching all day which is breaking students and instructors knees and backs and likely creating a class action injury claim law suit vs the MOD down the line when all the short falls of the H135 were known some time ago.
