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Helicopters mothballed without seeing any service.

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Old 8th Feb 2023, 17:40
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The Gazelles aren't due to be withdrawn from service until March 2024, although the draw down of the remaining few will start before then. The storage of the new H135s may therefore only be temporary, measured in months rather than years.

And given the delays to UK Mil Pilot training, well documented in another thread on here, perhaps they don't yet have the aircrew to fly them?
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I still think new build Gazelle’s would be a good seller, small, light, uncomplicated and can fit four. Longevity is already proven, I wonder how many 135’s will last the course.
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Oldest 135s already have over 25 years on the clock, so not too shabby.
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Originally Posted by 212man
en-route is a bit grandiose - one night stop, surely?
It took us two days to just reach Copenhagen, mind you we had to land every hour to check the bims.
I think it was Odi- Halton- Manston- Antwerp- Wildenrath- Gutersloh- Munster- some base I cannot remember- Vaerlose.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 19:32
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I have nearly 4K hours on 135. It’s a fabulous aircraft, but has limits to its mission capabilities. You COULD fit a winch, but the single engine performance is not “all that”.
it excels as a police/AA platform and is reasonable as a corporate machine.
Whenever the 'Royal' S76 is in use and a personage needs an extra helicopter it's usually a '135 that the operator chooses.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I still think new build Gazelle’s would be a good seller, small, light, uncomplicated and can fit four. Longevity is already proven, I wonder how many 135’s will last the course.
Gazelles are 'old' tech; they entered service with the AAC in '77/'78; the latest equivalent offering from Eurocopter/AB is the EC120 (H120?) although even this is no longer produced.
Also the Gazelles in AAC service had much more basic equipment compared to RAF/RN examples in order to be maintained in the field.

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Originally Posted by chevvron
Gazelles are 'old' tech; they entered service with the AAC in '77/'78; the latest equivalent offering from Eurocopter/AB is the EC120 (H120?) although even this is no longer produced.
Also the Gazelles in AAC service had much more basic equipment compared to RAF/RN examples in order to be maintained in the field.
That’s interesting, the Navy Gazelles I had a chance to fly in had far less kit than the Army ones and we had, and that was very little.
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I assume he's talking about the lack of SAS and Stick Trim on AAC 'Floppies'…..in terms of mission equipment, given that the AAC aircraft had a proper mission rather than just training and communications, I don't doubt they were more comprehensively equipped in other areas.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 10:52
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
My first operational type, same squadron, too. I’ve undoubtedly flown some of those actual airframes.

Unfortunately, apart from the photos, the above post showed up as many lines of gobbledygook.

if those flights were out of BBK, then I may well have enjoyed? the trip in the back too.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
Gazelles are 'old' tech; they entered service with the AAC in '77/'78; the latest equivalent offering from Eurocopter/AB is the EC120 (H120?) although even this is no longer produced.
Also the Gazelles in AAC service had much more basic equipment compared to RAF/RN examples in order to be maintained in the field.
And there is something to be said for "old" tech, it works, it is easy to maintain and it does the job it is designed to do. We are talking military where the aircraft needs to operate in the field possibly in a war situation with not a lot of support. The "Whistling Chicken Leg" as the Army website calls it, still has a place otherwise it would have been gone long ago.
I am still a big fan of steam driven guages BTW and I work on both, A steam driven guage when it goes wrong can be changed or ignored until a replacement comes in, a built in a box with all singing all dancing graphics for everything will need to be pulled out for repair, thus all those intruments that were working on the box are gone as well, and the aircraft is grounded.
I also think there would be a civilian market for them.

BTW, if you want a modernised instrument panel, roomy, seats 5, in an low height, easy access and airy cockpit.

https://www.aviatorsmarket.com/detai...ed-states/6853




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...and the crashworthiness of a Renault 4.
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Are these 5 H135s actually in the UK or are they stored at Airbus?
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I'm just surprised MOD appears to have acquired a fleet of 5 aircraft in under a decade. Surely that's what we should be celebrating?
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I seem to recall a massive collective lever compared to that one; was that just for the RAF ones then with Navy and AAC (and RM) ones being equipped with the smaller version.?
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Originally Posted by chevvron
I seem to recall a massive collective lever compared to that one; was that just for the RAF ones then with Navy and AAC (and RM) ones being equipped with the smaller version.?
Seat on the left got a smaller one than the seat on the right, making access easier. We got a few toys of our own on that side when they fitted GOA & LWNA, but the rather cumbersome moving map display with its collection of map tiles tended to stay in Flight Stores along with the snowshoes.

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Are these 5 H135s actually in the UK or are they stored at Airbus?
They are all in the UK
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I still think new build Gazelle’s would be a good seller, small, light, uncomplicated and can fit four. Longevity is already proven, I wonder how many 135’s will last the course.
I wonder how many Scouts would have lasted that long had they not been replaced by the Lynx.
Chatting to 656 Sqdn at Farnborough (previously 664 Sqdn) before their enforced move to Netheravon, they told me that with a Scout, you could get squaddies leaping in and out all day with no problem whereas with a Gazelle, it was too easy to put your foot through the floor doing that.
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam
if those flights were out of BBK, then I may well have enjoyed? the trip in the back too.

I did fly in NI for a short time, some of it from the Mill, but most of it was by night in an airframe not configured for pax.
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I wonder how many Scouts would have lasted that long had they not been replaced by the Lynx.
Chatting to 656 Sqdn at Farnborough (previously 664 Sqdn) before their enforced move to Netheravon, they told me that with a Scout, you could get squaddies leaping in and out all day with no problem whereas with a Gazelle, it was too easy to put your foot through the floor doing that.
I’d suggest that the aircraft wasn’t really designed for transport of the heavy of boot.
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