Reported Pause in RAF White Recruiting To Meet Diversity Targets
. I suppose you *might* find that a particular group is underrepresented because many of them are pacifists, in which case there's probably not much you can do, but otherwise if your cohort isn't representative of the general population it probably points to a problem somewhere; either you're missing out on applicants or people are leaving because the environment doesn't welcome them. But you fix that problem at source, not by counter-discriminating during the selection process.
The selection process should be on merit alone, everything else is irrelevant.
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Here is one I couldn't fathom Bob, What the heck has dentistry to do with the RAES or am I missing something?
Here is one I couldn't fathom Bob, What the heck has dentistry to do with the RAES or am I missing something?
I read all the above with dismay. The leadership of the RAF has made yet another clumsy, maladroit policy decision leading to bad publicity at a time when the aviators [did I get that right?] are doing a superb job with crap resources in very uncertain times.
Just what was not needed. Bums in the back garden, Broken Arrows, a history of lies about accident culpabilities, and now this.
I only served as a civvy add-on, but I did so as one who loved the RAF, its ethos and efficiency, its humour and its comradeship.
For God's sake get a grip.
Just what was not needed. Bums in the back garden, Broken Arrows, a history of lies about accident culpabilities, and now this.
I only served as a civvy add-on, but I did so as one who loved the RAF, its ethos and efficiency, its humour and its comradeship.
For God's sake get a grip.
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Resignation
I spent 36 years in the RAF and I don’t recall ever being given the option to resign over a contentious decision or a toxic culture. Am I missing something. And please don’t get me started on non executive directors. What is going on?
There is a difference between being expected to comply with a contentious decision and being expected to follow an order that you know is unlawful. Officers have always been permitted to resign their commission provided there is no required return of service, it's just the timescale that varies. If the Service wants shot of you in days, PVR or otherwise, it can do it.
"What is going on?" can probably be laid at the door of people behaving as they think their seniors are expecting them to behave, which is where culture comes into play for better or for worse.
"What is going on?" can probably be laid at the door of people behaving as they think their seniors are expecting them to behave, which is where culture comes into play for better or for worse.
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I haven't been on here in ages, but having left the RAF after 22 years in 2008 and carved a successful career in HR at senior level I couldn't resist. IF this is true
"EXCLUSIVE: The RAF has effectively paused making job offers to white male recruits in favour of women & ethnic minorities to meet "impossible" diversity targets, sources claim. The head of
@RoyalAirForcerecruitment has resigned in protest, they said."
Then potentially the RAF has fallen foul of equality legislation, lots of detail on that here https://assets.publishing.service.go...ecruitment.pdf but the pithy page 5 covers what the RAF can and can't do.
Professionally, I'd argue employers are struggling to recruit across multiple sectors at the moment and thus you have to take the best person for the job or carry the vacancy and try to recruit again, but selecting someone based on quota or target and nothing else is plainly wrong and illegal. if there is nothing between 2 applicants for one job I always take the one who brings something else. If the RAF has picked applicants solely because of their ethnicity, gender etc then it's a very costly mistake and I imagine a lot of lawyers will be richer soon.
Re the earlier non-executive director point, I think it's a good idea, the RAF needs them to address too many traditions and old fashioned thinking. I say that as someone who saw women in the RAF paid less than men, people good at their job interrogated by military policy for being gay/lesbian and then discharged, women not being able to fly, women forcibly discharged when they fell pregnant and I heard far too much racist and sexist crap in 22 yrs, if NEDS challenge that sort of BS, then it's money well spent. Recruit and promote on merit and if you've one job or promotion to give and you can't pick between the people, pick the person who challenges convention and will make the RAF a better and more effective place.
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"EXCLUSIVE: The RAF has effectively paused making job offers to white male recruits in favour of women & ethnic minorities to meet "impossible" diversity targets, sources claim. The head of
@RoyalAirForcerecruitment has resigned in protest, they said."
Then potentially the RAF has fallen foul of equality legislation, lots of detail on that here https://assets.publishing.service.go...ecruitment.pdf but the pithy page 5 covers what the RAF can and can't do.
Professionally, I'd argue employers are struggling to recruit across multiple sectors at the moment and thus you have to take the best person for the job or carry the vacancy and try to recruit again, but selecting someone based on quota or target and nothing else is plainly wrong and illegal. if there is nothing between 2 applicants for one job I always take the one who brings something else. If the RAF has picked applicants solely because of their ethnicity, gender etc then it's a very costly mistake and I imagine a lot of lawyers will be richer soon.
Re the earlier non-executive director point, I think it's a good idea, the RAF needs them to address too many traditions and old fashioned thinking. I say that as someone who saw women in the RAF paid less than men, people good at their job interrogated by military policy for being gay/lesbian and then discharged, women not being able to fly, women forcibly discharged when they fell pregnant and I heard far too much racist and sexist crap in 22 yrs, if NEDS challenge that sort of BS, then it's money well spent. Recruit and promote on merit and if you've one job or promotion to give and you can't pick between the people, pick the person who challenges convention and will make the RAF a better and more effective place.
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In a statement, the RAF insisted recruitment had not been paused, but it said it was doing everything it could to increase recruitment of under-represented groups.
Here is a screen shot from the RAF Recruiting Website right this very moment…
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Isn't Pilot closed for recruitment because we've got a load of them all holding waiting on a training slot opening up with rumours of some of them possibly asked to leave to ease the burden.
No point in more recruiting when we can't train those already in the system.
And there's a slight difference in not recruiting for certain roles (as the system can't cope with what we already have) and not recruiting a certain demographic of the population (the majority).
I also haven't seen anything anywhere to explain why they want to recruit 20% from minorities when they make up 13% of the population, apart from put some numbers on posters to look good.
If you want to join and meet the standards it shouldn't matter what your background is.....
No point in more recruiting when we can't train those already in the system.
And there's a slight difference in not recruiting for certain roles (as the system can't cope with what we already have) and not recruiting a certain demographic of the population (the majority).
I also haven't seen anything anywhere to explain why they want to recruit 20% from minorities when they make up 13% of the population, apart from put some numbers on posters to look good.
If you want to join and meet the standards it shouldn't matter what your background is.....
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[QUOTE=adminblunty;11280275]I haven't been on here in ages, but having left the RAF after 22 years in 2008
You should post more often Adminblunty. A very sensible thoughtful comment and a pleasant change from all the angry DM style woke obsessed rants.
You should post more often Adminblunty. A very sensible thoughtful comment and a pleasant change from all the angry DM style woke obsessed rants.
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Recruit and promote on merit and if you've one job or promotion to give and you can't pick between the people, pick the person who challenges convention and will make the RAF a better and more effective place.