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Algeria bans French military from airspace after Macron claims it fuels hatred of Fra

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Algeria bans French military from airspace after Macron claims it fuels hatred of Fra

And now Macron has another problem to raise his blood pressure in that Algeria has banned all French military aircraft in its airspace.

From the Times.

Algeria bans French planes from airspace after Macron claims it fuels hatred of France

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Monday October 04 2021, 11.20am, The TimesGlobal politicsFrench fighter jets on the deck of an aircraft carrier. Algeria has banned France’s military planes over accusations that it is rewriting its colonial history
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SaveAlgeria has banned French military planes from its airspace in a deepening dispute with the former colonial power after President Macron accused its ruling class of fuelling “hatred of France”.

In comments that have incensed politicians and commentators in Algiers, Macron also suggested that the country’s leaders had rewritten history to blame all its current woes on Paris and colonisation.

He inflamed the row by claiming that Algerians had been manipulated by Turkey to airbrush from history the role of the Ottoman Empire, which controlled the country from the 16th century to 1830, when it was taken over by the French.

Emmanuel Macron during a meeting last month in memory of the Algerians who fought alongside French colonial forces in Algeria's war
GONZALO FUENTES/ASSOCIATED PRESSHe went on to suggest that far from destroying Algeria, French colonialists had brought its people together to form a nation for the first time.

Macron’s comments have reopened the festering wounds left by a colonial period which ended in 1962, when Algeria gained independence after a war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

In the worst crisis in Franco-Algerian relations for at least 15 years, Algiers recalled its ambassador to Paris and refused entry to its airspace for French military planes involved in fighting Islamist terrorists in the Sahel region and notably in neighbouring Mali.

Colonel Pascal Ianni, a French army spokesman, said the ban had “slightly impacted” flights bringing supplies to French troops on the ground but “would “not affect” military operations in the Sahel.

The argument appears to have scuppered Macron’s hopes of ending six decades of discord between Paris and Algiers.

The tensions have not only limited French influence in north Africa but nourished resentment amongst the two million-strong Algerian community in France, widening racial and religious splits.
In an attempt to appease Algerian animosity, Macron ordered a report this year on colonisation, which called on France to make symbolic gestures including identifying the location of the bodies of Algerian nationalists killed during the independence war .

However, relations soured last month when Paris announced a 50 per cent cut in visas for Algerians and Moroccans in retaliation for both countries’ reluctance to accept the return of their citizens facing expulsion orders from France for entering the country illegally. Macron’s government says that of the 7,731 Algerians served with expulsion orders in the first six months of this year, Algiers has agreed to take back just 0.2 per cent.

The row deepened when Macron met about 20 young people of Algerian origin last week to discuss Franco-Algerian relations.

He told them that Algerian political and diplomatic policy was, “it has to be said, based on hatred of France”.

He also said the country had been misled by “disinformation” and “propaganda” spread by Turkey with the aim of “completely rewriting history”.

“Was there an Algerian nation before colonisation? That is the question,” he said in comments reported by Le Monde. “Me, I’m fascinated by the ability of Turkey to ensure that the role it had in Algeria and the domination it exercised are completely forgotten and that we are [considered to be] the only colonisers”.

In a reference to months of demonstrations against authorities in Algiers denounced by critics as corrupt and incompetent, Macron said that the Algerian regime was “tired” and that President Tebboune, its ruler, was “caught in a very tough system”.

With the Algerian media accusing Macron of insulting the country, the authorities issued a statement saying that his comments represented “an intolerable attack on the memory of the 5.63 million brave martyrs who sacrificed their lives in the heroic resistance to the French colonial invasion as well as in the glorious revolution of national liberation.”


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Algeria bans French military from airspace after Macron claims it fuels hatred of Fra

In The Times this afternoon.
Algeria bans French military from airspace after Macron claims it fuels hatred of France

Algeria has banned French military planes from its airspace in a deepening dispute with the former colonial power after President Macron accused its ruling class of fuelling “hatred of France”.

In comments that have incensed politicians and commentators in Algiers, Macron also suggested that the country’s leaders had rewritten history to blame all its current woes on Paris and colonisation.

He inflamed the row by claiming that Algerians had been manipulated by Turkey to airbrush from history the role of the Ottoman Empire, which controlled the country from the 16th century to 1830, when it was taken over by the French.


He went on to suggest that far from destroying Algeria, French colonialists had brought its people together to form a nation for the first time.

Macron’s comments have reopened the festering wounds left by a colonial period which ended in 1962, when Algeria gained independence after a war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives.


In the worst crisis in Franco-Algerian relations for at least 15 years, Algiers recalled its ambassador to Paris and refused entry to its airspace for French military planes involved in fighting Islamist terrorists in the Sahel region and notably in neighbouring Mali.

Colonel Pascal Ianni, a French army spokesman, said the ban had “slightly impacted” flights bringing supplies to French troops on the ground but “would “not affect” military operations in the Sahel.

The argument appears to have scuppered Macron’s hopes of ending six decades of discord between Paris and Algiers.

The tensions have not only limited French influence in north Africa but nourished resentment among the two million-strong Algerian community in France, widening racial and religious splits.
Another case of toys/cot?
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Looks like there are a lot of ambassadors loitering around Paris at the moment.
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Recceguy will be on here soon in his own apoplectic way.
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Does France need any help in alienating friendlies?
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Does France need any help in alienating friendlies?
No. They are also starting a fisheries war here, in the Channel Islands. And suggesting they might cut off our electricity supply through the undersea cable. Diplomacy? They don’t know the meaning of the word.
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No. They are also starting a fisheries war here, in the Channel Islands. And suggesting they might cut off our electricity supply through the undersea cable. Diplomacy? They don’t know the meaning of the word.
I wasn't aware of that. They are on a roll.
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Algeria, like all of the Maghreb, has been fought over and conquered and colonised and recolonised for centuries: Carthaginians, Romans, Arabs ... even the Spanish were there for a while before the Ottomans kicked them out (hence the Spanish enclaves in Morocco, Ceuta and Melilla). Nobody except maybe the Berbers has any historical right to be Algerian.
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They don't sound like a stabilizing influence

Mali PM accuses France of 'abandonment' over troop drawdown
https://www.africanews.com/2021/09/2...-drawdown/Mali
Prime Minister Choguel Kokalla Maiga accused France Saturday of abandoning the conflict-torn country with its decision to draw down troops this year.

Maiga told the UN General Assembly that he regretted the "unilateral announcement," which he said justified his government "seeking other partners," in an apparent reference to Mali having asked private Russian companies to boost security in the conflict-torn country.
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More French aggression … Fishing rights row: France warns UK bilateral co-operation at risk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58806707
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
More French aggression … Fishing rights row: France warns UK bilateral co-operation at risk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58806707
Really!? This topic is about Algeria versus France "relationship" and you managed to side throw your pure French bashing to a fishing contest thousands miles away? (Same about farefield mentioning Recceguy!!!?) Pretty pathetic arguments...

Yes! It's incoming election and yes, Macron is totally right to not let this one slides under the carpet.
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Diplomacy? They don’t know the meaning of the word.
The nation that pretty much invented diplomacy also seem to have forgotten the meaning of the word.
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ehwatezedoing, is Recceguy French then?
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ehwatezedoing, is Recceguy French then?
ahaha no but we may both be of French origins
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However, relations soured last month when Paris announced a 50 per cent cut in visas for Algerians and Moroccans in retaliation for both countries’ reluctance to accept the return of their citizens facing expulsion orders from France for entering the country illegally. Macron’s government says that of the 7,731 Algerians served with expulsion orders in the first six months of this year, Algiers has agreed to take back just 0.2 per cent.
This seems completely reasonable to me - kick out the crims (and there has to be a crime involved)., His other comments were rather incendiary though. Not very intelligent.

He does have a habit of doing this though. When he was Minister of the Economy and commenting on employment problems caused by the closure of a poultry preparation factory in Britanny, he said something like " It won't be easy because nearly all the female workers are illiterate"

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ehwatezedoing, is Recceguy French then?
He claims he was a RAF tornado pilot and that hes got a brother who was a british ambassador

edit went back to find the specific post but it and all the relies including mine have been deleted

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He claims he was a RAF tornado pilot and that hes got a brother who was a british ambassador

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He said he flew on RAF Jaguars at some point. The inference being that he'd done an exchange tour.

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