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All Hawk T1s will be gone by 31 March 2022

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Old 7th Nov 2021, 07:24
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Very interesting stuff this nonetheless and I suspect it’s about to get more interesting when we see who enters the arena to have a go at winning the contract and what platform they’re going to offer, flying from which base.
Perhaps the Greek Air Force will bid offering Tranche 1 Typhoons
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Perhaps the Greek Air Force will bid offering Tranche 1 Typhoons
And watch them fly them as air defenders quite happily for the next 20 years.
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Any news on which companies are going to be bidding for the aggressor contract?
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Watching a 100sqn Hawk doing its stuff over my house as they have for the last twenty years. When they stop is that the end of RAF Staxton Wold which is just down the road? I’m surprised it’s stayed open this long when all the other radar sites have gone. Especially now Linton on Ouse has all but packed up.
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dctyke,

Staxton Wold is an air defence radar station, nothing whatsoever to do with RAF Linton On Ouse or the 100 Sqn Hawks at Leeming.

All of the air defence radar stations have not gone, they are all still there.



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Old 11th Nov 2021, 05:55
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dctyke,

Staxton Wold is an air defence radar station, nothing whatsoever to do with RAF Linton On Ouse or the 100 Sqn Hawks at Leeming.

All of the air defence radar stations have not gone, they are all still there.
Thanks, I see that now. I notice they are now officially titled RRH (remote radar head) rather than RAF these days.
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Any news on which companies are going to be bidding for the aggressor contract?
Going to be interesting to see, the amount of obfuscation would be fascinating to watch. Anyway, I'm going with with an Alpha Jet or Hawk with some kind of radar modification a la Morocco with an even teenier weenier antenna than the Israeli 2052 in that singular Skyhawk.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 09:33
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Any news on which companies are going to be bidding for the aggressor contract?
Given the supposed timeline of being operational from summer 2022, are there any companies that have the available aircraft, support and crews to get established and setup to meet that deadline......!!!

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Given the supposed timeline of being operational from summer 2022, are there any companies that have the available aircraft, support and crews to get established and setup to meet that deadline......!!!
Its a great shout, I’m not sure. There’s the obvious candidates like Draken and Top Aces? Air USA as an outside chance?
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn
Its a great shout, I’m not sure. There’s the obvious candidates like Draken and Top Aces? Air USA as an outside chance?
I must admit I’m really surprised by the timeline, given current contract executions will any of the likely players be able to bid? Has BAE played a blinder and secured the Omani Hawk mk203s?
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Originally Posted by DuckDodgers
I must admit I’m really surprised by the timeline, given current contract executions will any of the likely players be able to bid? Has BAE played a blinder and secured the Omani Hawk mk203s?
Even if they did secure those Hawks, they have to be able to deliver the training starting Summer 22. The speed of which means it’s probably a company with aircraft already. It’s going to be an interesting few months.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn
Its a great shout, I’m not sure. There’s the obvious candidates like Draken and Top Aces? Air USA as an outside chance?
Would any of those be able to satisfy the UK base with UK nationals employees, and with CAA or MAA compliant aircraft fleet, and be up and running by summer 2022.

It would be slightly amusing if no companies bid for it.....

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Old 11th Nov 2021, 17:40
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Every company will bid for it but the bid will be carefully worded so that there is plenty of opportunity to charge for the inevitable "extra's" at cost plus. Like usual when contracting out, the government will get less service for more money....
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 18:32
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
Would any of those be able to satisfy the UK base with UK nationals employees, and with CAA or MAA compliant aircraft fleet, and be up and running by summer 2022.

It would be slightly amusing if no companies bid for it.....
Ha ha, that would be amusing if there were no bids!

im sure there are bases that would take a small fleet of aircraft and if imagine getting people to fly them won’t be an issue. The CAA or MAA compliance issue will be the most interesting part.
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
Every company will bid for it but the bid will be carefully worded so that there is plenty of opportunity to charge for the inevitable "extra's" at cost plus. Like usual when contracting out, the government will get less service for more money....
I think the wider issue will be the ability to find and then fly aircraft under either the CAA or MAA framework in such a short space of time. Never mind the small print in the contract!
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 19:09
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn
I think the wider issue will be the ability to find and then fly aircraft under either the CAA or MAA framework in such a short space of time. Never mind the small print in the contract!
Indeed.

And more so with any of the foreign types largely unknown to either CAA/MAA and operated by the likes of ATAC, Top Aces, Blue Air, Air USA, Draken etc (Kfir, Mirage F1, A4 Skyhawk, Cheetah's and F-5's) operated by these companies in the USA.
ATAC do have quite a number of Hunters though which they may well be keen to offload given the newer types taken on board since they first acquired the Hunters.
They are getting on a bit now though, hence why the US based firms have now moved to plentiful supply of various Mirage types and the F-5.

Hawks?
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 19:36
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Judging by Freedom of Information requests on the subject, at least one company has been anticipating this requirement for at least two years and knows exactly why Hawk is leaving service. MoD stopped answering the requests in July 2020. Probably because it was asked for the (non-existent) Air System Safety Case.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 20:55
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
ATAC do have quite a number of Hunters though which they may well be keen to offload given the newer types taken on board since they first acquired the Hunters.
ATAC were supposed to be buying the RAAF F-18's but thats gone dark, haven't seen anything official but seems anyone with any knowledge has said the deal is off
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 23:00
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ATAC were supposed to be buying the RAAF F-18's but thats gone dark, haven't seen anything official but seems anyone with any knowledge has said the deal is off
Most definitely off.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 23:54
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Could it be possible for Hawker Hunter Aviation at RAF Scampton to make a bid? I believe they currently fly two Hunter F.58's and a T.72 for threat simulation and trials work already. Plus they have a Buccaneer, SU22 and Phantom waiting for a suitable contract too....
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