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They left a Ukrainian port and were in Ukrainian waters, so what border did they cross? They had the right to cruise right in Sevastopol. Might not be wise but not illegal.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the footie i.e. Russia crashing out at the bottom of their table, Ukraine going through? All a bit embarrassing for Putin.
Conflicting stories here in the UK media, including from those which had correspondents on the ship!
Conflicting stories here in the UK media, including from those which had correspondents on the ship!
The Russians simply following Putin's stated policy "не война, не мир" - not war, not peace. Like a grumbling appendix they keep reminding the west that they have an agenda such as seen in eastern Ukraine, Baltic States and the Black Sea.
Suspicion breeds confidence
I think the Russians should be thanked for providing such a wonderful training opportunity. Makes a normal Thursday War seem a bit wimpish. The entire thing will be recorded and analysed. The CO acted correctly so BZ to Defender.
In fact:
a. The border patrol ship carried out no warning firing
b. Bombs were not dropped along HMS Defender's route.
c. The confrontation occurred in the territorial sea of Ukraine's Russian-invaded Crimea, not the Russian Federation..
Last edited by FODPlod; 24th Jun 2021 at 11:52.
The RN said no bombs were dropped also. So what do you mean falsehoods? Seems all agree on that. Maybe the Beeb guy could clarify - they are the font of all truth usually, aren’t they? Errr….wait….
This was a pathetic coat trailing exercise from an ex-empire that still thinks it ‘rules the waves’ - but really just waives the rules.
You’d think Boris and his henchmen would have enough to contend with at present - like out of control COVID D and lockdown, a Scottish Parliament that wants to secede, a Northern Irish border war brewing - basically a nation disintegrating. Maybe he’s just looking for distractions?
Therell be no WWIII over this though. Putin is way ahead of the Brits, and is laughing at their pathetic efforts. He’s the only Pol in the Northern Hemisphere with real leadership skills.
This was a pathetic coat trailing exercise from an ex-empire that still thinks it ‘rules the waves’ - but really just waives the rules.
You’d think Boris and his henchmen would have enough to contend with at present - like out of control COVID D and lockdown, a Scottish Parliament that wants to secede, a Northern Irish border war brewing - basically a nation disintegrating. Maybe he’s just looking for distractions?
Therell be no WWIII over this though. Putin is way ahead of the Brits, and is laughing at their pathetic efforts. He’s the only Pol in the Northern Hemisphere with real leadership skills.
The RN said no bombs were dropped also. So what do you mean falsehoods? Seems all agree on that. Maybe the Beeb guy could clarify - they are the font of all truth usually, aren’t they? Errr….wait….
This was a pathetic coat trailing exercise from an ex-empire that still thinks it ‘rules the waves’ - but really just waives the rules.
You’d think Boris and his henchmen would have enough to contend with at present - like out of control COVID D and lockdown, a Scottish Parliament that wants to secede, a Northern Irish border war brewing - basically a nation disintegrating. Maybe he’s just looking for distractions?
Therell be no WWIII over this though. Putin is way ahead of the Brits, and is laughing at their pathetic efforts. He’s the only Pol in the Northern Hemisphere with real leadership skills.
This was a pathetic coat trailing exercise from an ex-empire that still thinks it ‘rules the waves’ - but really just waives the rules.
You’d think Boris and his henchmen would have enough to contend with at present - like out of control COVID D and lockdown, a Scottish Parliament that wants to secede, a Northern Irish border war brewing - basically a nation disintegrating. Maybe he’s just looking for distractions?
Therell be no WWIII over this though. Putin is way ahead of the Brits, and is laughing at their pathetic efforts. He’s the only Pol in the Northern Hemisphere with real leadership skills.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
While back, I had the task of training some Russian pilots on a UK Boeing course. Basic handling skills were there to a degree, but their attitudes and behaviours, CRM, not pretty to watch. Then the audacity to ask for my help in getting a job in europe. Unable, unwilling.
While back, I had the task of training some Russian pilots on a UK Boeing course. Basic handling skills were there to a degree, but their attitudes and behaviours, CRM, not pretty to watch. Then the audacity to ask for my help in getting a job in europe. Unable, unwilling.
Maybe we should all notice that there were 3 NATO warships involved and sailing in close company, from the USA, The Netherlands, and the UK.
It was a NATO inspired and led event, NOT a British two-fingered deliberate provocation to the Russkies.
It was a NATO inspired and led event, NOT a British two-fingered deliberate provocation to the Russkies.
Keep calm and carry on.
Border control is firmly on everyone’s agenda . The closing of Syria’s Turkish border on July 10th will be very interesting .
I expect to see some interesting new tactics . The remaining food is being trucked out of that region to create a food insecurity and instability event .
putting pressure on Assad to reopen the other check point s that were being used to supply weapons .
Russia will make a lot of noise about the naval incursions as a suitable distraction to the hunger zones being created in northern Syria on the Turkish border .
I expect to see some interesting new tactics . The remaining food is being trucked out of that region to create a food insecurity and instability event .
putting pressure on Assad to reopen the other check point s that were being used to supply weapons .
Russia will make a lot of noise about the naval incursions as a suitable distraction to the hunger zones being created in northern Syria on the Turkish border .