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We’re getting a new “National Flagship”

Old 31st May 2021, 10:36
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The Case for a 'National Flagship'.
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Old 31st May 2021, 11:39
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Thanks ORAC - as ever raises some interesting issues

1. Who is going to pay - if its RN which budget will be cut?

2. How will they man her? Another 150 crew to find

3. Should she be "for hire" or "above the commercial fray" (the latter seems to miss the point IMHO)?

4..Can UK shipyards build her at the same time as the SSBN, T26, T31e and Fleet Replenishment programme?






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Old 31st May 2021, 11:57
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Sir Humphrey's Thin Pin-Stripped Line.

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The Case for a 'National Flagship'.
Or to put it another way, the answer is HMS Britannia, what is the question.?
Still confused, how much of the above could already be done by R08 or R09 and was indeed used as part of the case to justify them?
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Old 31st May 2021, 20:15
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The Royal Family appear to be distancing themselves from the project so it will not be called Duke of Edinburgh or even Royal Yacht according to Sunday Times article I read. PM a bit embarrassed apparently. Also as the Navy are short of personnel and budget and ships how is this going to be crewed and indeed financed and we no longer have those multiple Leander class frigates to run around after her.

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Old 1st Jun 2021, 00:23
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Simply build it as a hospital ship come events ship with the facility to operate as a yacht.
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 00:59
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 11:54
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From ORAC's link:

where they can lobby for business and contracts
Surely they could requisition an old PM and give him a phone with WhatsApp pre-installed? Job done.

Semi-seriously though, it only really works if the Royals play ball, which they're reportedly not minded to do. Also, given the semi-imminent reshuffle at the top of the regal tree, will Chad have the same pulling power as Brenda for this sort of thing?

As for the design, it looks a little too Boaty McBoatface for my liking, a bit crap compared to your average Oligarch superyacht.

PS Did someone here note that it would need its own defensive systems, just in case? I'd be intrigued to see where they'd place the CIWS (and imagine that going off during a drinks reception!)

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Hercules prematurely retired, Chinook fleet reduced & 3 x frigates to be retired early etc but we can afford £200m for a ship which no one wants apart from a few politicians for "vanity" purposes.
Lets hope nothing happens in the world & we need these assets either militarily or for humanitarian missions
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 22:17
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Seems about right.
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... could always have a secondary role advertising Domaine de Canton Ginger Liqueur

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Aren't the Chinese building a Royal Navy every year now?
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I don't think the Chinese have built a Yacht for the Leadership tho'..................
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So....If we did build a Royal Yacht... and if we did use it to promote UK industry and international sales - should we plant "Air Miles Andy" on it to run the "publicity and Promotion" shows?

Maybe we could just let him up on deck for the shows....?
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Air Miles Andy......??

Andrew?? - well past his sell by date........

His Royal Harryness would be a good name for it.........

Or perhaps not................!!!
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IoM Steam Packet Company and the Channel Isles are getting new ferries.

You could have a parallel income stream doing a Scrap Yard Challenge type show with the advantage that there would be no embarrassing trousering by Boris's mates.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 22:51
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So....If we did build a Royal Yacht... and if we did use it to promote UK industry and international sales - should we plant "Air Miles Andy" on it to run the "publicity and Promotion" shows?

Maybe we could just let him up on deck for the shows....?
or nail him on the front.
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"Andrew?? - well past his sell by date........"

It's not going far with him on board - nowhere were the USA has an extradition treaty for a start........................
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Nice site to browse through what is done until now. Most yachts are surprisingly ugly and not elegant. Like seagoing inferiority complexes built in steel.
SEYFFERTH ART Yacht Photography - The top 300 largest yachts

It seems like 500 million would be the budget to start with.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 20:43
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We’re getting a new “Royal Yacht
As a sales tool yes, but blowing 200 million on a ship to be used by a few.. No.

Any idea how much of the British economy depends on the only real Monarchy left in the world? Some of the stuff produced in the UK would never compete on the world stage if it weren't for the Royal seals or endorsements. They simply wouldn't. Land Rover, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, clothing, food stuffs, ....the list is endless and no amount of pretty models replaces the global marketing cachet the Royal Family (or the Firm) has. That 200 Million pounds is is the best marketing you can get and well worth it to the UK, especially now that Her Majesty is not so long for the Earth.

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Have the Navy got sufficient ships to shadow her these days with the amount that’s now needed for the carriers?

A sail while fanciful would negate a secondary role as a hospital ship with a heli deck, but a large area to entertain and show the world our wares would probably work well with the secondary needs as a hospital ship.
Do the military have the necessary numbers of doctors and nurses to detach to a hospital ship these days?
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