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Beards in the RAF

Old 24th Mar 2021, 22:05
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 23:21
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I can understand that Darn Sarf they had a few more pressing concerns than shaving, so Mog can be excused his bum fluff.

But on a cosy airfield somewhere in England (or Canada for some on here) it doesn't take much time to shave and it looks way way much smarter than tipping into met brief/1st parade looking like the biker from the Village People.

Why did the Air Force Board stop at shaving? Why not let everyone wear civvies and dispense with saluting? Why not get everyone to wear a commercial logo on their polo shirts and earn some extra moolah?

But I'm a retired old fart so back to the Times and a big leather armchair for a snooze!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 01:35
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One could choose to be offended by the service accomodation, lack of work life balance, increasing cuts to facilities and capabilities, or any number of other things. Or one could choose to be offended by beards...
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 05:39
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Originally Posted by flighthappens
One could choose to be offended by the service accomodation, lack of work life balance, increasing cuts to facilities and capabilities, or any number of other things. Or one could choose to be offended by beards...
Hence my "reap what you sow" implication. Pandering to ever multiplying "Wokeness" current pressures on the Service, whilst sidestepping key issues, is a dangerous path to follow in the longer term.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 06:28
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I hear you about wokeness. I think you need to choose your battles a little better though.

Allowing beards is not ‘woke’. It’s just a reflection of changing times.

In the 18th century men used to plait their hair and wear wigs into battle. Eventually that went out of favour and times moved on. How is the acceptance of beards any different?

Remember, change isn’t wrong. It’s just different.

I also think that those no longer serving shouldn’t really expect a vote on what is acceptable any more. There are an awful lot of practices from bygone eras that we no longer use. That can be good and bad.

I don’t really allow any of it to upset me too much. And I am still serving.

D&I training days are another great example of something that upsets a lot of people (especially older males). However, from listening to the conversations of some people that I serve alongside it is clear that we have a way to go before they are no longer required.

Honestly there are bigger and better things to get upset about.

BV

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Old 25th Mar 2021, 06:42
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
I hear you about wokeness. I think you need to choose your battles a little better though.

Allowing beards is not ‘woke’. It’s just a reflection of changing times.

In the 18th century men used to plait their hair and wear wigs into battle. Eventually that went out of favour and times moved on. How is the acceptance of beards any different?

Remember, change isn’t wrong. It’s just different.

I also think that those no longer serving shouldn’t really expect a vote on what is acceptable any more. There are an awful lot of practices from bygone eras that we no longer use. That can be good and bad.

I don’t really allow any of it to upset me too much. And I am still serving.

D&I training days are another great example of something that upsets a lot of people (especially older males). However, from listening to the conversations of some people that I serve alongside it is clear that we have a way to go before they are no longer required.

Honestly there are bigger and better things to get upset about.

BV
Well said m8.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 08:00
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Originally Posted by just another jocky
well said m8.
text speak! Oh my god this forum is ruined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Raaaaaaaggggee11111!!!!!!!!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 10:53
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Originally Posted by VigilantPilot
Beards are a great way to visibly distinguish blunties from aircrew as even though they are allowed in the regs, aircrew are still not allowed to have them.
BV seemed to imply he may have one?

This RAF beardy weirdy thanks you for your concern.

I will be sure to be on the look out for freshly sown seeds to reap.

BV

PS. I think they look scruffy as hell but I have always hated shaving so I’m happy as Larry. How’s that for double standards?!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 11:19
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212Man, not sure that Bob works for the same Air Force as you...

On a practical note, does the beard interfere with the fit of the mask, especially if pressure breathing is active?
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Ewan Whosearmy
212Man, not sure that Bob works for the same Air Force as you...

On a practical note, does the beard interfere with the fit of the mask, especially if pressure breathing is active?
Clearly not, looking at Mogwi's picture.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Clearly not, looking at Mogwi's picture.
I think Mogwi looks pretty good for 73!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 13:04
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Well there was always this precedent.



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Old 25th Mar 2021, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Torchy
I think Mogwi looks pretty good for 73!
It's the beard!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 13:10
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The Royals don't count.

The Prince James Hewitt Jr used to wear one in full dress uniform but he's bu66ered off to California now so forget him.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 14:19
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Beards in the RAF appears to not be on my list of problems in the world to worry about?

Am I missing something?





 
Old 25th Mar 2021, 14:27
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Originally Posted by downsizer
Sums up this (and many) threads:

Every time literally anything changes in the RAF:

Serving personnel: ok whatever

Veterans (who are 100% unaffected): THIS IS AN OUTRAGE THE END OF THE RAF WAY TOO PC NOW AINT MY RAF.
Well some people have been out of the armed forces way longer that they were in them! 🤣🤣
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 15:43
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Clearly not, looking at Mogwi's picture.
Mog has been very kind to me in the past, so I shall choose my words carefully... what I mean is, does a full beard interfere with the seal of the mask?!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 16:18
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Originally Posted by Ewan Whosearmy
212Man, not sure that Bob works for the same Air Force as you...

On a practical note, does the beard interfere with the fit of the mask, especially if pressure breathing is active?
Not completely, if the attached photo of BV's Doppelgänger is anything to go by https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...s-alphabet-spd

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Old 25th Mar 2021, 16:21
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I was only young, yer honour!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
I hear you about wokeness...D&I training days are another great example of something that upsets a lot of people (especially older males). However, from listening to the conversations of some people that I serve alongside it is clear that we have a way to go before they are no longer required.
BV
BV, very true and very astute. I experience this constantly. Not living in Blighty just now, I can only conclude from internet and media studies the the phrase "Woke" is a term meaning: "Someone has called me on my crass and self-centered views".
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