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Perhaps I am influenced by the media over the Test, Track and Trace, I get accused sometimes of being too far to the right, but my source is every time a minister appears alongside someone like Andrew Marr on the BBC or Nick Ferrari on LBC and all in between including Piers Morgan on GMB, I haven't heard a robust defence of the testing system yet. But of course, any good to come of it gets a thumbs up from me. Ferrari isn't exactly a left-winger, he put it to Nadine Dorris that the government could find £37 billion for a test, track and trace system which didn't work, his words, but could only give the nurses a 1% rise. I understand the financial artesian well we're down the bottom of, upside down likely as well.
If the truth is that the test, track and trace caper has worked then even better, but its just that its the first I've come across this. All the money spent on the pandemic has changed everything that was being planned, the nurses probably should be grateful with a 1% pay rise but I'd have thought someone among the government's advisers, MPs themselves in fact, must have looked at 1% and thought, that just doesn't sound like a nice surprise for the NHS, not after all the clapping and mawkish goings on etc.
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If the truth is that the test, track and trace caper has worked then even better, but its just that its the first I've come across this. All the money spent on the pandemic has changed everything that was being planned, the nurses probably should be grateful with a 1% pay rise but I'd have thought someone among the government's advisers, MPs themselves in fact, must have looked at 1% and thought, that just doesn't sound like a nice surprise for the NHS, not after all the clapping and mawkish goings on etc.
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....... The 1% pay rise for the nurses is likely fairly arrived at, I hadn't been mindful of the 12% pay rise they'd had over the preceding three years, nor that the average pay of a nurse is now £34,000. I wouldn't begrudge them a single penny but the 1 % rise is a headline grabber for all the wrong reasons! Someone needs to better advise this government about how they present stuff.
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FBHowever, just an observation to flesh out your "average pay" stat but, when you have a mo, have a look at Nursing pay scales and Military pay scales (I've used Army). Not saying that Nurses don't do a great job ... but a newly qualified Nurse (Band 5) comes in at mid Lance Cpl (£24k), a more specialised role (Band 6 eg Health Visitor) is Cpl (circa £34k), a nurse assisting in Surgery (Band 7) is now into lower WO2 territory (circa £40k) and a Chief Nurse/Matron (ooo, err Missus) starts in Mid WO2-land (circa £45k) and goes on up to, erm, ...... had to move pay-scales .......... top Lt Col (circa £87k). A Consultant Nurse tops out at £105k - now that's gusting Brigadier-levels. And something between an extra 30% to 60% for weekend/night/Bank Holiday work..... And, I suspect, the chance of being shot at is quite remote.
It's hard to work out what Adquals are rqd for promotion as a Nurse vs in the Mil but it does make for interesting reading. I'll let you all draw your own conclusions.
PS Mrs H 'n' H works in the NHS so this post is being writted in the utmost secrecy here!!!!!! I'm already in the doghouse most of the time but......... I'd be a gonner if she finds this and I'm hardly likely to have a friendly reception either when she dumps my remains in a bin-bag outside A&E!!!!!!
Spot on FB! Did they get 12% over 3 years? Not saying they didn't but not seen that figure myself.
However, just an observation to flesh out your "average pay" stat but, when you have a mo, have a look at Nursing pay scales and Military pay scales (I've used Army). Not saying that Nurses don't do a great job ... but a newly qualified Nurse (Band 5) comes in at mid Lance Cpl (£24k), a more specialised role (Band 6 eg Health Visitor) is Cpl (circa £34k), a nurse assisting in Surgery (Band 7) is now into lower WO2 territory (circa £40k) and a Chief Nurse/Matron (ooo, err Missus) starts in Mid WO2-land (circa £45k) and goes on up to, erm, ...... had to move pay-scales .......... top Lt Col (circa £87k). A Consultant Nurse tops out at £105k - now that's gusting Brigadier-levels. And something between an extra 30% to 60% for weekend/night/Bank Holiday work..... And, I suspect, the chance of being shot at is quite remote.
It's hard to work out what Adquals are rqd for promotion as a Nurse vs in the Mil but it does make for interesting reading. I'll let you all draw your own conclusions.
PS Mrs H 'n' H works in the NHS so this post is being writted in the utmost secrecy here!!!!!! I'm already in the doghouse most of the time but......... I'd be a gonner if she finds this and I'm hardly likely to have a friendly reception either when she dumps my remains in a bin-bag outside A&E!!!!!!
However, just an observation to flesh out your "average pay" stat but, when you have a mo, have a look at Nursing pay scales and Military pay scales (I've used Army). Not saying that Nurses don't do a great job ... but a newly qualified Nurse (Band 5) comes in at mid Lance Cpl (£24k), a more specialised role (Band 6 eg Health Visitor) is Cpl (circa £34k), a nurse assisting in Surgery (Band 7) is now into lower WO2 territory (circa £40k) and a Chief Nurse/Matron (ooo, err Missus) starts in Mid WO2-land (circa £45k) and goes on up to, erm, ...... had to move pay-scales .......... top Lt Col (circa £87k). A Consultant Nurse tops out at £105k - now that's gusting Brigadier-levels. And something between an extra 30% to 60% for weekend/night/Bank Holiday work..... And, I suspect, the chance of being shot at is quite remote.
It's hard to work out what Adquals are rqd for promotion as a Nurse vs in the Mil but it does make for interesting reading. I'll let you all draw your own conclusions.
PS Mrs H 'n' H works in the NHS so this post is being writted in the utmost secrecy here!!!!!! I'm already in the doghouse most of the time but......... I'd be a gonner if she finds this and I'm hardly likely to have a friendly reception either when she dumps my remains in a bin-bag outside A&E!!!!!!
Nurse pay up over the past few years but down on 2010 - Full Fact
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Many thanks H & H, I now know why we post under pseudonyms.....By the way, I take it Mrs H & H doesn't know your thumb mark on pprune?!?!?!?!?
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... As to your own figures, it strikes me that talking about nurses is rather like talking about soldiers, ie of privates and generals all in the same breath. I'd say that any increase in pay in the public sector at the moment, given that many in the private one will move straight from furloughed to unemployed soon enough (if they haven't already!) is a bit of a bonus. Appreciate it if your wife doesn't see this post either, if at all possible :-
Nurse pay up over the past few years but down on 2010 - Full Fact
Nurse pay up over the past few years but down on 2010 - Full Fact
That link is interesting re inflation-adjusted values. In the Mil I'm sure we have all seen that at times over the years. Recall one pay rise (early '80's) when I got a nice little rise - but then read the small print re Food and Accom charges also going up. Ahhh, so that's an effective pay cut for H 'n' H then - even before factoring in Inflation! It was only a matter of a few pence but I did feel miffed! Spent quite a lot more than a "few pence" drowning my sorrows in the NAAFI Bar with rest of the the lads that evening!!! Still, with cockroaches living in the Accom Block with us, we felt the rise in Accom charges was wholly justified and should have been far higher!!!
Mrs H 'n' H is, indeed (as am I), glad her job is quite secure in these torrid times. Many local businesses here are wondering what the future holds ..........! And I worry for my eldest who works in Fashion - that's hardly a secure sector in the economy right now.
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