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RAF C-130J's to be retired early?

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Old 21st Jun 2023, 18:25
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Maybe if some of the C-130Js self identified as F-35Bs the RAF would be allowed to keep them?
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Old 21st Jun 2023, 20:08
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Perhaps if they identified as trans A400s the RAF would be too frightened to get rid of them.
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Old 22nd Jun 2023, 09:17
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Have no knowledge how SPAG (and others) conduct water jump qualification these days, however, here is summary of a contract for UK military parachute training published last month. Closing date 24 July.


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Old 22nd Jun 2023, 09:38
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Sounds like a C130 spec to me !
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More likely C-27J or C-295?
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Old 22nd Jun 2023, 11:59
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More likely C-27J or C-295?
Even a C-23B Sherpa if any are still available - IIRC the B has capacity for 20 'military equipped' parachutists.
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Surely the C-23B cannot operate at the specified 20000ft PA.....?
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Old 22nd Jun 2023, 12:39
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Shirley that's the civilian contract for the Skyvans otherwise why specify 20 meat bombs.
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And it will almost certainly cost more in the long run than keeping the ''J'
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Surely the C-23B cannot operate at the specified 20000ft PA.....?
I was being slightly facetious and think it would be a push to get there and marginal to stay there (and I am actually thinking of the 360 based B+/C/D) but the FAA's 360 type certificate has a ceiling of 20,000'. Given past history of specs being written to meet the capabilities of the preferred candidate I was trying to work out what met it closely. 295 and 27J both 30,000 ft ceiling and 40 + paratroopers. Mind you theoretically a C-47/Dakota could make the height and numbers.
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Except that the C-47 wouldn't comply with the specifcation as it does not have a cargo ramp.

Neither does the Ju52/3m, which in any case is too small.
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Old 22nd Jun 2023, 17:21
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And it will almost certainly cost more in the long run than keeping the ''J'
Nothing to do with the J. It’s the contract renewal for the provision of parachute training drops currently carried out by civilian registered (Canadian!) Skyvans based at Brize Norton for drops at Weston on the Green and elsewhere.
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Yes, the droning Pigs are often heard around here. But the specification calls for 20 paras in full kit (plus a despatcher) - can the Skyvans really manage that at 20000ft PA?
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Old 22nd Jun 2023, 17:54
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Yes, the droning Pigs are often heard around here. But the specification calls for 20 paras in full kit (plus a despatcher) - can the Skyvans really manage that at 20000ft PA?
I doubt you could get 20 paras in full kit inside a Skyvan, let alone climb to 20,000 ft.
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I understand they are SC-7 Series 3s which have a service ceiling of 22,500' but no side doors, but that Summit's third aircraft used is a Do 228 which has side doors, a service ceiling of 25,000' but both only have room for 19 pax never mind fully kittted paras. Obviously been keeping my eyes on the A34 & M40 on my infrequent journeys past WotG.

Definitely looks like a (very) preferred bidder situation IMO but I may be wrong. (The also have Avro RJs, ATR-72s and DHC-8s)
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Summit also have a DHC-5 Buffalo,,,,,
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
Nothing to do with the J. It’s the contract renewal for the provision of parachute training drops currently carried out by civilian registered (Canadian!) Skyvans based at Brize Norton for drops at Weston on the Green and elsewhere.
Yes, we all have a soft spot for the Skyvan (I was raised to the soothing sound of twin astazous) but the contract specifies requirements that may be more in the CN-235/CASA C-212 range of aircraft (as a starting point).

Meanwhile - in the offices of Marshalls - a telephone rings and a receptionist answers, then patches the call through to a Manager ... "Sire, a gentleman enquires if we can furnish two C-130J's for the Canadian register no later than March 2025 - to be based/operated from EGSC".
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Marshalls will be moving their whole operation to Cranfield before then.
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
Nothing to do with the J. It’s the contract renewal for the provision of parachute training drops currently carried out by civilian registered (Canadian!) Skyvans based at Brize Norton for drops at Weston on the Green and elsewhere.
I said that first.
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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
I understand they are SC-7 Series 3s which have a service ceiling of 22,500' but no side doors, but that Summit's third aircraft used is a Do 228 which has side doors, a service ceiling of 25,000' but both only have room for 19 pax never mind fully kittted paras. Obviously been keeping my eyes on the A34 & M40 on my infrequent journeys past WotG.

Definitely looks like a (very) preferred bidder situation IMO but I may be wrong. (The also have Avro RJs, ATR-72s and DHC-8s)
The Do228 is used as the Falcons para display team drop aircraft.
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