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Old 26th Mar 2021, 17:49
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also sentenced Welch to retrospective dismissal from the Army, meaning he can no longer benefit from his rank of retired major general.
Not wishing to rub salt into his wounds, but what happens to his pension? Does that remain secure? And indeed his LS&GC?
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 18:07
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He got caught.
(I wonder who he p*ssed off?)
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 18:28
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what happens to his pension? Does that remain secure? And indeed his LS&GC?
His OBE will be withdrawn, as with any State Award to someone subsequently sentenced to jail. His LS&GC will be removed as the GC bit is self-evidently proven to be wrong, but he will retain the other service medals he earned. He will keep his pension as prison plus a fine of that magnitude would be a disproportionate penalty that would not apply to a civilian (yes, I know he is a retired serviceman) convicted of a similar fraud. He will not be entitled to use the rank as his commission will be terminated by sentence of CM rather than relinquished, so he won't be bothering this thread too much.

I have a small amount of sympathy for someone who has fallen so spectacularly from grace and who will probably have quite a hard time in prison, but he has only himself to blame. Others who have been caught playing fast and loose with CEA and its predecessor have been treated differently in the past.

However, I have a great deal of sympathy for his children, who will probably be feeling guilty even though their only crime was to be of school age, and whose education is probably about to be disrupted. I would, however, be quite interested to know whose decision it was for his wife to spend so much time 'in the country' and whether that person still thinks it was a good idea.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 18:45
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What a sad and indeed silly way to go. There are absolutely no winners ........ the army is a reputational loser, and the principle of CEA is bound to come under scrutiny. The whole family suffers and their comfortable future is in doubt, as the usual jobs for retired VSOs will disappear..

A sad day, and I dare say a fair number of servicemen and women are gently revising their living arrangements .......... there was some obvious jiggery-pokery to be seen during school holidays, with wives arriving back at JHQ at about the same time as the offspring clambered off the lollipop specials..
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 18:50
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Thanks, Fortissomo.

The OH used to be the 'subject expert' on BSA [as was] many years ago. It was a complex subject, and of course the Regs may have changed since she hung up her quill.

I could imagine, for the defence, that a VSO got his PSO to originate the paperworks, signed it off and forgot about it ... without VSO or Mrs VSO being fully cognisant of the complex Regs. A lot of detail would be needed by we 'outsiders' to determine what went on, but clearly the CM were convinced of culpable conduct.

I share the sadness for all those impacted.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 19:10
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As an ex officer who never claimed one penny from the U.K. taxpayer in boarding school fees (although with two qualifying children at one time I could certainly have done so) it makes my blood pressure rise more than a little to learn of fraud at this level.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 19:26
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I suspect that there will be a long hard look at every single recipient of CEA with regards to their ongoing eligibility. With a former 2* receiving custodial sentence plus a repayment order it sets the bench mark for any future cases of guilt.

I also don’t hold water with the “he just signed it without fully understanding it”. As a 2* he will approved many other subordinates CEA paperwork as he climbed the greasy pole - I suspect their paperwork will be the first under the microscope.

Makes you wonder what else he “signed off” without fully understanding the ramifications.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 19:47
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He's got what he deserved. Silly, silly, man.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 20:11
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Still, he’s earned his place in the history books...
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 20:19
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Still, he’s earned his place in the history books...
And commemorated in song as well (sorry, one shouldn’t mock) ...

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Old 26th Mar 2021, 21:07
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
As an ex officer who never claimed one penny from the U.K. taxpayer in boarding school fees (although with two qualifying children at one time I could certainly have done so) it makes my blood pressure rise more than a little to learn of fraud at this level.
I had four! They opted to stay at home wherever home was, so did well at Queen's, Rheindahlen.:.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 22:48
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I had four! They opted to stay at home wherever home was, so did well at Queen's, Rheindahlen.:.
Didn’t do me any harm either! (Along with the other 4 BFES offerings).
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 23:15
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
I had four! They opted to stay at home wherever home was, so did well at Queen's, Rheindahlen.:.
Our eldest had been in seven different schools by the time it came for him to sit his GCSE exams because he didn’t want to go to boarding school and we wanted to bring him up ourselves, rather than put him in the care of others. He’s done very well for himself, as in fact all his three siblings have done.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 23:42
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Our eldest had been in seven different schools by the time it came for him to sit his GCSE exams because he didn’t want to go to boarding school and we wanted to bring him up ourselves, rather than put him in the care of others. He’s done very well for himself, as in fact all his three siblings have done.
Good. Likewise!.
Following the flag has life-teaching intrinsic values to offset continuity. Hosting Mum and Dad's drinks or dinner do's, and waiting at table, and washing up, and being polite, are part of the virtuous offsets. Plus bed and breakfast and pub German.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 23:55
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Here's one bloke who won't be using his rank in his retirement.

Major general jailed for Dorset school fees fraud
Where he's going, He'll have to decide pretty soon whether he wants to be Mummy or Daddy...
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 00:00
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Mine didn’t learn much Pub German. But then at the age of six months it wouldn’t have been expected in this household!
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 05:35
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He got caught.
(I wonder who he p*ssed off?)
Seemingly a neighbour.... the bit about his wife suddenly returning to London , as reported, is worth noting.....

Major general jailed for 21 months for Dorset boarding school fee fraud | Military | The Guardian
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 07:24
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I suspect that quite a few cases have sailed close to the wind as far as these rules are concerned.
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 09:19
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You might remember the " Curtains for Wilson " episode.
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 09:23
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Suspect he and his Mrs didn't make any effort to make friends at their London address - and that's where someone got narked. Probably someone who was obeying the rules at some pain
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