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Old 6th Jan 2021, 23:47
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"So that's alright then is it? Because it was done in the past we should not criticise?"

"Trying to apply the social standards of today to yesterday is ludicrous." You don't understand this point? By all means apply today's standards to today's art.

"How you can compare nose art of bombs or whatever to the naked female form is beyond me." I'll take a stab here. Because the nose art on whatever is often, not always, a female. And I have yet to see a "naked female form" displayed. They may have
minuscule clothing but I have, you may have, not seen a totally naked female body as aircraft art.

As for 'hurt'? No, just sick and tired of idiots like you and your ilk with your overt sexism.

My dear chap, disagree with me by all means but do please display some modern s
ocietal standards and modicum of manners by addressing the opinion and not abusing the individual.


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Old 6th Jan 2021, 23:49
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Originally Posted by finestkind View Post
My dear chap, disagree with me by all means but do please display some modern societal standards and modicum of manners by addressing the opinion and not abusing the individual.
You have never seen an overtly female nose art or scantily dressed female nose art? Oh DO **** off you HYPOCRITE!

Oh and I am not your 'Dear Chap', kindly do not refer to me as such.

REPEATEDLY I have seen naked, or near naked renditions of females, as so called 'nose art'.

Guess what, 'CHAP', as a female RAF pilot I bloody resent that shite.

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 00:43
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To be honest, most of the so-called 'nose art' on RAF aircraft during Gulf War One hardly merited the term 'art'. Irrespective of the subject material, in general the drawings were pretty crude in nature.

The few USAF aircraft I saw with 'nose art' were of a much higher quality.

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 00:47
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It doesn't excuse the shite.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 01:52
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You have never seen an overtly female nose art or scantily dressed female nose art? Oh DO **** off you HYPOCRITE!

Do you actually read the post and take the time to decipher it before
before you volatile temper takes over." And I have yet to see a "naked female form" displayed. They may have minuscule clothing but I have, you may have, not seen a totally naked female body as aircraft art." I don't see where it states I have not seen female nose art. I do state I have not seen female NAKED as in no clothes what so ever with all shown. If you think a bum or bit of fleshy pec is naked that's you ignorant right.

Oh and I am not your 'Dear Chap', kindly do not refer to me as such. Guess what you strive for equality? You call me an idiot and a hypocrite my dear chapette but obviously get your nose really out with chap, really.

I have e
ndeavored to keep the discussion on opinions and not personal attacks. Your outrage would be far better presented as a logical argument. You do yourself a serious disservice which does not reflect well on my sisters in uniform.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 02:24
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ExAscoteer2 given some time to relax and come back when ready to refrain from personal attacks.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 02:43
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I think anyone who says ďfemale pilots in the ATA donít count as real RAF pilotsĒ isnít actually the female RAF pilot they claim to be.

An RAF pilot would have more class than to look down their nose at wartime ATA pilots
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 02:44
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I’d get a chuckle if a female aircraft commander had a scantily clad beefcake painted on the side of her aircraft. Seems like equality to me.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 03:22
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2 View Post
You have never seen an overtly female nose art or scantily dressed female nose art? Oh DO **** off you HYPOCRITE!

Oh and I am not your 'Dear Chap', kindly do not refer to me as such.

REPEATEDLY I have seen naked, or near naked renditions of females, as so called 'nose art'.

Guess what, 'CHAP', as a female RAF pilot I bloody resent that shite.
Scantily clad women as nose art are interesting
I like it , you donít ! Get over it . Btw you seem to have an anger management issue ? I trust you donít fly anything too complicated .
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 03:55
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The era of unearned white male privilege is over. Part of that means that symbols that overtly disrespects a segment of the serving uniformed members are no longer acceptable.

A lawful order has been given signed by the most senior members of the USAF.

Don’t like it ? Moan and drip on social media, fine it is your right under the first amendment, but if you are serving then support the chain of command or resign, simples....

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 06:04
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Support the chain of command

A wonderful day to suggest that hypothesis when the commander in chief appears to be attempting to overthrow democracy and is banned from social media.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 11:46
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Buster gonad was melted down after being polished and displayed in the museum in London.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 12:07
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A wonderful day to suggest that hypothesis when the commander in chief appears to be attempting to overthrow democracy and is banned from social media.
Let's see what happens on 20th January.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Ken Scott View Post


I canít think of any official RAF badges that are sexist/ racist/ whatever (although there might be some rather dodgy student course ones), but this sort of aircraft artwork would probably be viewed unfavorably today. Is it still on the aircraft in a museum somewhere?
There is a TIALD pod at Duxford with one of these ladies on. Its much smaller of course.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 12:31
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Anyone know what happened to Corky, who painted some of those? PM me.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 13:06
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The original letter refers not to aircraft insignia but badges, patches, mottoes, nicknames, coins and other forms of unit recognition (stickers?)

Some of the more crude nicknames, and name patches, have been mentioned on other threads - most which stick with people for their entire career, if not life. Not sure how to manage changing those.

We once had an USAF exchange officer who tried to persuade us to introduce a unit coin (the ones you have to produce on demand or pay a forfeit such as buy a round) - which met with much ridicule and apathy....

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:38
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Early 70ís I recall seeing a KC-135 tanker with the forward fuselage painted to look like a giant can of Coors.

Had never heard of Coors beforehand.

Now who could take offence at that?

Anyone got a picture?
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 16:18
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 16:39
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2 View Post
So that's alright then is it? Because it was done in the past we should not criticise?

How you can compare nose art of bombs or whatever to the naked female form is beyond me.

As for 'hurt'? No, just sick and tired of idiots like you and your ilk with your overt sexism.
Its the preservation of history, you might want to have a look around a classical portrait gallery one day
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:09
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Aircraft nose art censorship is not a new phenomenon. Back in April 1944, Lancaster R5868, PO-S "Sugar" of 467 Sqn RAAF was soon to become the first Lancaster to achieve 100 operational sorties, and anticipating lots of publicity should the aircraft reach the target, the Stn Cdr demanded that the crew change the nose art on their aircraft which was a (tasteful) nude holding a bomb. As the Stn Cdr said, "I do not wish to scare the Archbishop of Canterbury". The crew were understandably miffed, but orders are orders, and on Op 98, the aircraft was wheeled out with new nose art consisting of the bomb log and a quote from Goering "No Enemy Aircraft Shall Fly Over Reich Territory". Sugar made her 100th Op and went on to fly another 136 (the final number is still debated for accuracy) becoming the second most ops flown during the War for a Lancaster. She still wears the replacement nose art as an exhibit in the RAF Museum at Hendon. The photograph shows her penultimate nose art:





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