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canard68 6th Jan 2021 11:51

USAF Badges purge
 
I bet some MOD bod is copying and pasting from this already. The Purge Pt 2 is coming - General Discussion - Baseops Forums

Ken Scott 6th Jan 2021 12:08

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I canít think of any official RAF badges that are sexist/ racist/ whatever (although there might be some rather dodgy student course ones), but this sort of aircraft artwork would probably be viewed unfavorably today. Is it still on the aircraft in a museum somewhere?

ORAC 6th Jan 2021 12:11

I see somebody looked ahead and made sure their badge was both safe - and protected. To quote one of the responses on that forum:


The 28th BS, at least, had their patch approved by treaty with the Mohawk tribe/nation and it was updated in the late-90s IIRC. It also takes the tribe's approval to change it from what I understand.

Herod 6th Jan 2021 12:15

I should think most museums have a few, most of them done in good spirit, and with affection (if they are of ladies). The B17 at Duxford still has AFAIK, "Sally B" on one side, and "Memphis Belle" on the other. The Victor at Cosford has "Maid Marion". That's just two off the top of my head. We just have to hope this isn't coming over the pond.

Less Hair 6th Jan 2021 12:46

Does Disney still do patches? They seem to be so much more classy and smart than most of these self designed "morale" velcros.

alfred_the_great 6th Jan 2021 13:40

And why not?

Non Linear Gear 6th Jan 2021 13:48

The odd Museums do still have copied GW1 artwork on Jaguars and other Granby Jets. Victors as well. Last nose art seen on a flying RAF Aircraft was XX725 (Ex Granby Jag). Door is not with Jet now.


wub 6th Jan 2021 14:02

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East Fortune

TBM-Legend 6th Jan 2021 14:04


Originally Posted by canard68 (Post 10961744)
I bet some MOD bod is copying and pasting from this already. The Purge Pt 2 is coming - General Discussion - Baseops Forums


​​​​​​https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-...ymbols/9673242

ExAscoteer2 6th Jan 2021 18:23


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 10961762)
We just have to hope this isn't coming over the pond.

Why?

There is no place for such sexist drivel in the 21st C. Especially given that we have had female aircrew for some 30 years!

NutLoose 6th Jan 2021 20:13

Buster gonad was melted down after being polished and displayed in the museum in London.

finestkind 6th Jan 2021 21:28


Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2 (Post 10961963)
Why?

There is no place for such sexist drivel in the 21st C. Especially given that we have had female aircrew for some 30 years!

Agree, but trying to cover history is ??????. What next. We do not report beheading's, people being burnt alive because there is no place for that type of behaviour in the 21st C even though it is happening? Aircraft art today should be reflective of what society finds acceptable (which I find amusing given societies sensibilities of the 1940’s where I think most of this art came from) with the possible exception of war time operations. If someone is going to fly their metal steed into action with the possibility of not returning than perhaps they have the right to be a bit racy. Otherwise we end up with the importance of wearing clean underwear so we are not embarrassed if we have an accident that has ripped a body limb off.

ExAscoteer2 6th Jan 2021 21:57


Originally Posted by finestkind (Post 10962086)
. If someone is going to fly their metal steed into action with the possibility of not returning than perhaps they have the right to be a bit racy. Otherwise we end up with the importance of wearing clean underwear so we are not embarrassed if we have an accident that has ripped a body limb off.

What UTTER drivel. You think it is acceptable to objectify women? I would suggest that says all I need to know about you.

finestkind 6th Jan 2021 22:32


Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2 (Post 10962108)
What UTTER drivel. You think it is acceptable to objectify women? I would suggest that says all I need to know about you.

What utter drivel of drivel that is utter of ahh, stdby Iíll get the Monty crowd to help with the script.

Couple of points my hurt friend. 1) I expressed my opinion. I did not attack you, which your thinly veiled post appears to do to me. By all means disagree with me. 2) Your target fixation is not commendable. There is a lot of aircraft art that has nothing to do with the opposite sex (lotís comes to mind of ďitlerĒ receiving numerous bombís, rocketís, bootís etc to the rear end) but still can be considered racy. Or are you for banning all aircraft art forms?

objectify

express (something abstract) in a concrete form.

"good poetry objectifies feeling"

One of the meanings of objectify. Point being who determines what good poetry is? Same as I donít know art but I know what I like. There is art that I find distasteful.

Last point. In case you missed it, I agreed with you. My point (oops another point) was that there is a lot of aircraft art that is part of history and that is racy. Trying to apply the social standards of today to yesterday is ludicrous. This brings up the discussion point of what is history? Ten, twenty, or thirty years ago?



ExAscoteer2 6th Jan 2021 22:45

So that's alright then is it? Because it was done in the past we should not criticise?

How you can compare nose art of bombs or whatever to the naked female form is beyond me.

As for 'hurt'? No, just sick and tired of idiots like you and your ilk with your overt sexism.

V-Jet 6th Jan 2021 23:27


As for 'hurt'? No, just sick and tired of idiots like you and your ilk with your overt sexism.
Perhaps if we hit the Chinese with some really hard sexism they might disband their cyber units, withdraw from the SCS, HKG, Antarctica, Western Pacific and stop trying to destroy Taiwan?

NutLoose 6th Jan 2021 23:28


Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2 (Post 10961963)
Why?

There is no place for such sexist drivel in the 21st C. Especially given that we have had female aircrew for some 30 years!

I would ask is it sexist as you infer and if so why? Yes there are female nose art, but then again there is also male, Mel drew, fighting Sam, saddam, Buster Gonad with his enormously large testicals certainly isn’t a female. There might not be as much but to infer it is sexist would infer there was none. We have had females flying military aircraft over 70 years incidentally.

ExAscoteer2 6th Jan 2021 23:29

NutLoose - because the majority of the GW1 'Nose Art' is either semi-naked females, or references to (as YOU well know). Trying to say it is the equivalent of 'Buster Gonads' is patently a false argument.

Oh and no we haven't had females flying in the RAF for 70 years BTW. ATA does not count.



NutLoose 6th Jan 2021 23:40

It means slapping nose art on the side of an aircraft isn’t sexist as there are a lot of male nose art as well.

ExAscoteer2 6th Jan 2021 23:45

Bollocks is there and you know it.


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