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Ireland Considers Purchase of AD Fighters

Old 29th Jun 2020, 16:59
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Speaking of the Eire Fuga’s, there is an excellent film on Netfix about their ill fated U.N. mission in Africa, more here..

https://time.com/4408017/the-siege-o...-netflix-film/


A very good film, poor buggers really got stitched up and then snubbed at home through no fault of their own and some stirringly brave defence against overwhelming odds.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 17:08
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NI is part of NATO too, as part of UK. UK is obliged under international treaty to respect the EU customs border down the Irish sea, so if they refused to respect the treaty they would be in breach of international law. I donít think NATO would want to be involved.

Goveís recent remarks were staggeringly irresponsible, and you canít blame the Irish (and EU) if they are indeed making contingency plans. They would be perfectly entitled to enforce the treaty, and the majority of NI (not all albeit..) would support them.

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Old 29th Jun 2020, 18:08
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Speaking of the Eire Fugaís, there is an excellent film on Netfix about their ill fated U.N. mission in Africa, more here..

https://time.com/4408017/the-siege-o...-netflix-film/


A very good film, poor buggers really got stitched up and then snubbed at home through no fault of their own and some stirringly brave defence against overwhelming odds.
I thought the film was very good, and the real life events absolutely appalling.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 21:06
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Iím sure the cousins would provide the training, and doubtless perhaps even the airframes and an exchange pilot or two, as foreign military aid......

Great, another underfunded euro land nation sucking off the US govt defense teet. Seems to be a growth industry, perhaps the Irish should consult with the Germans.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 21:54
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Great, another underfunded euro land nation sucking off the US govt defense teet. Seems to be a growth industry, perhaps the Irish should consult with the Germans.
Would agree that the abdication of the US from any form of global leadership is another reason Ireland is probably formulating its defence policy very closely with the EU at the moment (or Germany, if you insist on nationalism).
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Sorry, can't hold my tax dollar hostage to the ole abdication arguement. Maybe some who want that position, not me however.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 22:11
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Ireland is a neutral country and will not be wasting a billion euro on fighter jets. Joining NATO is a non runner. There is no threat to Ireland whatsoever and public opinion has always been in favour of remaining neutral rather than joining NATO. With the Greens now in power, it's more likely the Irish government would spend another billion on the overseas development aid budget than giving a billion euro to a foreign military supplier to buy fighter jets. As Elon Musk says, manned fighter jets will be redundant in the not too distant future. UAV's are the future.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 03:50
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Itís interesting that you quote Elon Musk. The well known expert in military doctrine and capability.

Iím not saying youíre wrong (although you need to define the term Ďnear futureí) but surely you could have found someone with more military credentials to cite.

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 06:45
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Itís interesting that you quote Elon Musk. The well known expert in military doctrine and capability.

Iím not saying youíre wrong (although you need to define the term Ďnear futureí) but surely you could have found someone with more military credentials to cite.

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Indeed. Musk is a publicity seeking nerd with very questionable ethics......and zero military background.

And they've been saying manned aircraft are not the future since the infamous Sandys Defense White Paper in the 1957.......and guess what, over 60 years later, and we're still not there yet....and I suspect will never be there entirely. UAV's will continue to be an important and more used tool.....but not the only tool.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 07:05
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The queue will go right around the block -a USAF fighter pilot in Ireland - they'll think they've died and gone to heaven..............
We call that Lakenheath.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 08:25
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Does anyone know the amount of Air-Policing that goes on in Ireland, compared to the GB? Having so much traffic, in 'normal' times, coming off the Atlantic, is there not a case for a limited peacetime capability? If you took the proportion of Air-Policing that the UK Air Defence force carries out in a year (not sure if non-transponding Russian aircraft are included), and scaled it for the amount of traffic in Ireland's airspace, could a small capability be justified? What kind of future incident would generate the need?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 10:20
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A single Tranche 3A Typhoon costs €90m, the entire Irish military budget for 2020 is only €780m. A handful of AMARC F-16s could probably be had from the US for the cost of refurbishment and a secret nod regarding the use of Irish bases for transit flights etc. It all seems unlikely though, the Irish military situation is similar to New Zealand’s in many ways (limited budget, minimal need for fighters, military ally in close proximity etc).
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:06
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Great, another underfunded euro land nation sucking off the US govt defense teet. Seems to be a growth industry, perhaps the Irish should consult with the Germans.
Yawn. Then pull the plug and be done with it.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:33
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How would any Irish air station be suitable for fast jets?

All their runways are only 60 ft long...and a mile wide!
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:36
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How would any Irish air station be suitable for fast jets?

All their runways are only 60 ft long...and a mile wide!
F-35B it is then...
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:01
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You've just got to watch that left roll just after launch......

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:22
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Bejesus holy Mary mother of God! All that smoke!

Why we're they all laughing at the end of the clip? "Mein Gott It actually worked!!"
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:27
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As it's sitting on a launch rail, it seems odd to have the gear down and dangling in the wind, surely it would have been less workload and drag if they had it up during launch, after all one couldn't see him putting it down anywhere straight ahead if the launch went wrong.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:43
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From elsewhere:

"With the landing gear down, full aileron travel (20į) is available...... With landing gear up, the aileron throw is only 10į.

With landing gear up that left roll after launch might have been much more interesting....
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 13:00
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...which is where the original F-104 ejection system might have been more useful!
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