Ireland Considers Purchase of AD Fighters
Chopper2004 - Your #132. I think the book you quote re a terrorist take-over of Eire could be "Dark Rose" by Mike Lunnon-Wood. An interesting hypothesis of an undercover occupation, but the plot to retake the country goes down some very convoluted (and unlikely) routes. Old Bricks
Chopper2004 - Your #132. I think the book you quote re a terrorist take-over of Eire could be "Dark Rose" by Mike Lunnon-Wood. An interesting hypothesis of an undercover occupation, but the plot to retake the country goes down some very convoluted (and unlikely) routes. Old Bricks
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...rity-0h62mnqd6
Radar trackers to close security gap in Irish airspace security
The Commission on the Defence Forces is set to recommend the purchase of primary radar systems which would allow it to track aircraft that seek to evade detection in Irish airspace.
Ireland has secondary radar at a number of airports, which can only see an aircraft enter Irish airspace when its transponder is turned on. Similar recommendations are expected for the navy to assist it in monitoring Irish territorial waters.
The commission is also expected to recommend that a “joint” headquarters be established for the defence forces, with equal authority given to the air corps, navy and army. Ireland has a disproportionately larger army than navy or air corps, compared with countries of a similar size…..
The commission was established last January and comprises a number of military experts from Ireland and abroad. It was set up to establish the medium and long-term defence requirements of the state.
Defence sources have said a “complete and utter change” of the Defence Forces HQ is expected to be recommended alongside a move away from army dominance of all structure and systems. It is expected to reflect the thinking that Ireland needs to focus more on its navy and airforce, given its island status.
Some in government are nervous about the forthcoming report as it is expected to have “strong” recommendations on defence funding.
There had been speculation in December that a minority report might be issued, as some commission members were unhappy with the draft. However, after a meeting earlier this month a final draft was agreed and the report is likely to be sent to the government this week……
Radar trackers to close security gap in Irish airspace security
The Commission on the Defence Forces is set to recommend the purchase of primary radar systems which would allow it to track aircraft that seek to evade detection in Irish airspace.
Ireland has secondary radar at a number of airports, which can only see an aircraft enter Irish airspace when its transponder is turned on. Similar recommendations are expected for the navy to assist it in monitoring Irish territorial waters.
The commission is also expected to recommend that a “joint” headquarters be established for the defence forces, with equal authority given to the air corps, navy and army. Ireland has a disproportionately larger army than navy or air corps, compared with countries of a similar size…..
The commission was established last January and comprises a number of military experts from Ireland and abroad. It was set up to establish the medium and long-term defence requirements of the state.
Defence sources have said a “complete and utter change” of the Defence Forces HQ is expected to be recommended alongside a move away from army dominance of all structure and systems. It is expected to reflect the thinking that Ireland needs to focus more on its navy and airforce, given its island status.
Some in government are nervous about the forthcoming report as it is expected to have “strong” recommendations on defence funding.
There had been speculation in December that a minority report might be issued, as some commission members were unhappy with the draft. However, after a meeting earlier this month a final draft was agreed and the report is likely to be sent to the government this week……
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LOA3 conventional capability:
Developing full spectrum defence capabilities to protect Ireland and its people to an extent comparable to similar sized countries in Europe.
LOA 3 would involve developing defence capabilities that would match those of other small Western European countries. Some of these countries are also self‐declared as neutral while others participate fully in NATO.
This level of ambition would require Ireland to develop significantly strengthened capabilities in all domains, with commensurately higher levels of defence spending – of the order of two and a half to three times overall defence spending in recent years. These significantly stronger capabilities would also allow for a deeper engagement in international peace and humanitarian missions, and would deliver benefits in terms of ATCP and ATCA capacity.
As set out in Chapter 6, the capabilities for LOA 3 could involve, inter alia:
o Developing a substantial mechanised component of the Army offering state of the art
force protection, communications, ISTAR26 and firepower;
o A balanced fleet of at least 12 naval ships, supported by appropriate technology;
o Air combat and intercept capability through the acquisition of a squadron of combat
aircraft;
o Combat aircraft, pilots and support personnel to provide organic intra‐theatre mobility
based on tactical transport helicopters to support overseas deployments; o Maturing and strengthening a Joint Cyber Defence Command; and
o ARW/SOF having an organic self‐sustainment capability which would include dedicated combat helicopter assets.
This would allow the Defence Forces to provide a level of deterrence, defence and protection comparable to other similar sized countries in Europe. Given the scale of change involved in our defence capability in moving to LOA 3, it could only be properly developed in the context of a full review of our national defence policy, which could be undertaken within the planned Strategic Defence Review process.
Developing full spectrum defence capabilities to protect Ireland and its people to an extent comparable to similar sized countries in Europe.
LOA 3 would involve developing defence capabilities that would match those of other small Western European countries. Some of these countries are also self‐declared as neutral while others participate fully in NATO.
This level of ambition would require Ireland to develop significantly strengthened capabilities in all domains, with commensurately higher levels of defence spending – of the order of two and a half to three times overall defence spending in recent years. These significantly stronger capabilities would also allow for a deeper engagement in international peace and humanitarian missions, and would deliver benefits in terms of ATCP and ATCA capacity.
As set out in Chapter 6, the capabilities for LOA 3 could involve, inter alia:
o Developing a substantial mechanised component of the Army offering state of the art
force protection, communications, ISTAR26 and firepower;
o A balanced fleet of at least 12 naval ships, supported by appropriate technology;
o Air combat and intercept capability through the acquisition of a squadron of combat
aircraft;
o Combat aircraft, pilots and support personnel to provide organic intra‐theatre mobility
based on tactical transport helicopters to support overseas deployments; o Maturing and strengthening a Joint Cyber Defence Command; and
o ARW/SOF having an organic self‐sustainment capability which would include dedicated combat helicopter assets.
This would allow the Defence Forces to provide a level of deterrence, defence and protection comparable to other similar sized countries in Europe. Given the scale of change involved in our defence capability in moving to LOA 3, it could only be properly developed in the context of a full review of our national defence policy, which could be undertaken within the planned Strategic Defence Review process.
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If they wanted a squadron of F16s I’m sure that the USA would be more than willing to do a deal to provide them second hand for a peppercorn price - and train the air and ground crew. The affection for Ireland isn’t limited to the President.
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Personnel is, I admit, a more challenging aspect.
Will buying foreign military weapons affect Irish neutrality ?
The Swiss and Swedes build their own weapons and their neutrality is generally respected ?
How can Irish neutrality be respected if they become just another client state ?
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How can Irish neutrality be respected if they become just another client state ?
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The Swiss operate US built F-18s and F-5s, and mostly German built Armoured vehicles. The Swedes on the other hand build and export their own fighters but import most of their non-combat aircraft. So I don’t believe that Ireland importing military equipment will have any effect on their neutrality or other countries perceptions of that neutrality.
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It'll never happen. The Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds for a couple of decades. As of last year the flow of funds was reversed and the populace is unlikely to see a billion or so Euros expended on FJs. Unkind persons might consider it better to let the Brits provide aerial defence as they did 80 years ago.
It'll never happen. The Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds for a couple of decades. As of last year the flow of funds was reversed and the populace is unlikely to see a billion or so Euros expended on FJs. Unkind persons might consider it better to let the Brits provide aerial defence as they did 80 years ago.
I've been wondering at the coincidence of Russia moving the firing drills the same day a recommendation to install primary radar was announced. We're a great big open door into UK airspace, hence why it may be in the UK's interest to provide QRA.
Effectively the UK does provide coverage of Irish airspace.
Its rather pointless to argue about Ireland being a special case - it is and has always been a special case. Long before the Eu Irish citizens could travel and work in the UK and join the armed forces. They're the UK's neighbours and for all the centuries of problems they're very, very close in every practical sense.
It doesn't cost the UK anything to provide QRA for the Republic
Its rather pointless to argue about Ireland being a special case - it is and has always been a special case. Long before the Eu Irish citizens could travel and work in the UK and join the armed forces. They're the UK's neighbours and for all the centuries of problems they're very, very close in every practical sense.
It doesn't cost the UK anything to provide QRA for the Republic
Effectively the UK does provide coverage of Irish airspace.
Its rather pointless to argue about Ireland being a special case - it is and has always been a special case. Long before the Eu Irish citizens could travel and work in the UK and join the armed forces. They're the UK's neighbours and for all the centuries of problems they're very, very close in every practical sense.
It doesn't cost the UK anything to provide QRA for the Republic
Its rather pointless to argue about Ireland being a special case - it is and has always been a special case. Long before the Eu Irish citizens could travel and work in the UK and join the armed forces. They're the UK's neighbours and for all the centuries of problems they're very, very close in every practical sense.
It doesn't cost the UK anything to provide QRA for the Republic