HMS Glorious & Operation Paul
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All this notwithstanding, he did end up with a KCB in 1943, and as a full Admiral shortly before retirement, and I also note with interest the additional detail that retirement was apparently "at his own request to facilitate the promotion of younger officers" and his subsequent readiness to serve in the rank of Captain in his final appointment, before final retirement and reversion to his full rank.
Whilst writing, may I point out that, contrary to Post No 16, SCHARNHORST and GNEISENAU were not pocket battleships but significantly, especially in the circumstances under discussion, more powerful battlecruisers or battleships of the ERZATZ Class, depending on one's interpretation of the Kriegsmarine term "Panzerschiff".
Jack
This is a really interesting and highly informed debate .... a model of its type!
may thanks to all.
One thing is that it wasn't just the British who screwed up - the German Navy wasn't told the British were pulling out and their comms were just as bad
may thanks to all.
One thing is that it wasn't just the British who screwed up - the German Navy wasn't told the British were pulling out and their comms were just as bad
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Hi Union Jack.
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were both "Schachtschiffe"
Schlachtschiff = Battleship.
My father was R.M on board H.M.S. Duke of York, during
The sinking of Scharnhorst 26th,Dec.1943. He was one
of the 6 Marines tasked to guard the 36 survivors whilst
on board "Duke of York" after their transfer from H.M.S
Scorpion {30} survivors and H.M.S. Matchless {6} survivors.
He was also tasked with delivering them to Latimer House
nr. Amersham for interrogation before their disposal to
Canada {7} U.S.A. {25] Germany Via Red Cross (1) and
Unknown (1) possibly remained in U.K. as Stool pigeon
Scharnhorst was sometimes wrongly referred to as
Battlecruiser by the British.
Lance Shippey.
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were both "Schachtschiffe"
Schlachtschiff = Battleship.
My father was R.M on board H.M.S. Duke of York, during
The sinking of Scharnhorst 26th,Dec.1943. He was one
of the 6 Marines tasked to guard the 36 survivors whilst
on board "Duke of York" after their transfer from H.M.S
Scorpion {30} survivors and H.M.S. Matchless {6} survivors.
He was also tasked with delivering them to Latimer House
nr. Amersham for interrogation before their disposal to
Canada {7} U.S.A. {25] Germany Via Red Cross (1) and
Unknown (1) possibly remained in U.K. as Stool pigeon
Scharnhorst was sometimes wrongly referred to as
Battlecruiser by the British.
Lance Shippey.
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Apologies for the slight thread drift, but I have just watched a fascinating webinar this evening on the Dan Hill website with Dr Alex Clarke on Norway 1940 with a lot of emphasis on the naval side of things. It should appear in the archive section here https://www.danhillmilitaryhistorian.com/archive in due course.
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Glarac photo.
On the Glarac (Glorious Ardent and Acasta website is a page,
German photo's of the battle, I am pretty sure that the back
row right is Kapitaen zur see Kurt Caesar Hoffmann., under
him in the photograph is another four ringer. Can anyone
confirm his being First Officer (Exec Offizier) Guenther
Scharnhorst. ?
Please confirm if possible that Adm. Wilhelm Marschall was
on board Gneisenau during the sinking of Glorious, Ardent,
and Acasta ? glarac.co.uk | The HMS Glorious, Ardent & Acasta Association (GLARAC)
In view of documents concerning Operation Paul not being
released until 2041. Are there any theories of.
How Scharnhorst and Gneisenau located Glorious, Ardent,
and Acasta.? was this by chance (seeing smoke) ?
Who gave permission for the Glorious, with two escorts to
leave the convoy, and return to Scapa Flow.? Could this have
been the P.M. ?
Lance Shippey
On the Glarac (Glorious Ardent and Acasta website is a page,
German photo's of the battle, I am pretty sure that the back
row right is Kapitaen zur see Kurt Caesar Hoffmann., under
him in the photograph is another four ringer. Can anyone
confirm his being First Officer (Exec Offizier) Guenther
Scharnhorst. ?
Please confirm if possible that Adm. Wilhelm Marschall was
on board Gneisenau during the sinking of Glorious, Ardent,
and Acasta ? glarac.co.uk | The HMS Glorious, Ardent & Acasta Association (GLARAC)
In view of documents concerning Operation Paul not being
released until 2041. Are there any theories of.
How Scharnhorst and Gneisenau located Glorious, Ardent,
and Acasta.? was this by chance (seeing smoke) ?
Who gave permission for the Glorious, with two escorts to
leave the convoy, and return to Scapa Flow.? Could this have
been the P.M. ?
Lance Shippey
