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Canadian Forces Snowbirds CT-114 down in British Columbia

Old 17th May 2020, 23:01
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Another couple of photos of the rescue of one of the ejectees from the roof of a house - click on them to enlarge

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Old 17th May 2020, 23:22
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Strange looking ejection. Outside seat envelope with rate of descent? Seats both seemed to have a downward trajectory.
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Old 17th May 2020, 23:27
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tartare "...smoke on ejection.." It is usual. Ejection seats are propelled by small rockets.

LKF. Aircraft ejections usually result in injury to the ejectee. Lately, the odds of getting injured upon ejection is kinda 50/50. An improvement since I last checked. Seats and training are getting better, apparently.

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Old 17th May 2020, 23:39
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Originally Posted by evansb View Post
Ejection seats are propelled by small rockets. What did you think? Rubber bands?
Yes - I do know that
Have a look at multiple ejection videos on the web.
Flames, yes.
A bit of white smoke, occasionally.
First time I've seen that degree of brown/black smoke.
And there's more from one seat than the other.
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
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Old 17th May 2020, 23:42
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City will hold press conference at 16:45 local. Impact was on the north shore of the Thompson River in Brocklehurst area (Tranquille/Crestline/Glenview/Schreiner Streets). One female confirmed dead of catastrophic injuries - "It looks like she hit a tree."

https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/new...use-1.24136744
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Old 17th May 2020, 23:53
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Anyone know if the Tutor has command ejection?
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Old 18th May 2020, 00:18
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
I asked the same question... I can't find anything saying otherwise. Also, when Capt. Kevin Domon-Grenier had to eject last October, he reported "anomalies" during the ejection sequence. Again, I couldn't find any specifics on that.

IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
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Old 18th May 2020, 00:33
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Speaking as a former QFI.

Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection.
basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings.
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Old 18th May 2020, 00:43
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Capt. Casey joined the Snowbirds in 2018 and served as a spokesperson. Prior to that, she was a reporter, anchor and producer with NEWS 95.7 in Halifax. RIP
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Old 18th May 2020, 00:55
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Snowbirds crash victim was Haligonian, former journalist

Official sources have confirmed that one person has died in a tragic accident that occurred in Kamloops, earlier today

about an hour ago

By: HalifaxToday Staff


Official sources have confirmed that one person has died in a tragic accident that occurred in Kamloops, B.C. earlier today.

"It is with heavy hearts that we announce that one member of the CF Snowbirds team has died and one has sustained serious injuries," says a Tweet from the Snowbirds.

HalifaxToday has confirmed that Captain Jenn Casey, who served as a spokesperson for the Snowbirds, was on the plane when it crashed.





Casey grew up in Halifax, getting a Bachelor of Arts at Dalhousie University and attending journalism school at the University of King's College. Prior to joining the Canadian Armed Forces, Jenn was an employee of NEWS 95.7 working as a reporter, an anchor and as a producer for The Rick Howe Show.

According to her online profile with the Air Force, Casey has been with the Snowbirds since November 2018. The RCAF confirmed in a Tweet that Casey's family has been notified.
https://www.halifaxtoday.ca/local-ne...nalist-2358557
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Old 18th May 2020, 01:11
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
Yes - I do know that
Have a look at multiple ejection videos on the web.
Flames, yes.
A bit of white smoke, occasionally.
First time I've seen that degree of brown/black smoke.
And there's more from one seat than the other.
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant...
No familiarity with ejection seat boosters, but solid Ammonium Percolate (AP) propellant based rocket motors have a variety of exhaust characteristics - everything from dirty brown/black to white to basically invisible. It all depends on the propellant blend used - which in turn depends on the desired thrust characteristics.
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Old 18th May 2020, 02:08
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Originally Posted by dave.rooney View Post
I asked the same question... I can't find anything saying otherwise. Also, when Capt. Kevin Domon-Grenier had to eject last October, he reported "anomalies" during the ejection sequence. Again, I couldn't find any specifics on that.

IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
Any fatal accident is dreadful - moreso when a face is put to the name - RIP Ma'am.
Yep, wondered if it was a stall on attempted turn back when watching the video.
Questions around smoke and propellants - I was thinking about the age of the seats - and if the `chute deployed on Captain Casey's...
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Old 18th May 2020, 02:54
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Originally Posted by Monarch Man View Post
Speaking as a former QFI.

Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection.
basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings.
Thats exactly what was going through my tiny brain as I watched the (poor) tape - Appears to be a slightly left wing low attitude, then the jet departs to the right. Recovers to wings level briefly, then the ejection, with a significant rate of descent.

The description of the retired nurse at the scene wasn’t an easy read.
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Old 18th May 2020, 03:02
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Originally Posted by dave.rooney View Post
IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
I wonder where the RCAF could have found a dozen early block Hornets ? They seem to make a great display jet, and they’d be no stranger to the RCAF.

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Old 18th May 2020, 04:20
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Any amount of negative vertical speed can overcome even the newest 0/0 seats. A certain envelope must be fulfilled in order for the seats to have a chance of working successfully. It seems control was lost prior to ejection, which was done at an undesirable energy state. Any idea on the glide performance of the Tutor, plenty of empty land around the airport...
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Old 18th May 2020, 05:06
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"...negative vertical speed.." is a term known to less than 0.01 per cent of the world's populace. I understand you none the less.
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Old 18th May 2020, 05:42
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Any idea on the glide performance of the Tutor, plenty of empty land around the airport...
Departing runway 09, not all that much empty land. Rising terrain all quadrants, hills, bluffs or benches, industry, suburbs (including the impact point), and the heart of the downtown.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ka...4d-120.4417902

But there is the Thompson River directly on runway heading (either runway, it bends around the airport). However, I have no clue how well a Tutor would handle a ditching, nor whether a visiting crew would recognize that option unless they'd had a special briefing.
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Old 18th May 2020, 07:38
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It is not unusual for the majority of the Snowbirds team to be from non-FJ backgrounds. The RCAF is also very short on FJ pilots as it is.

As nice an idea as an RCAF team flying Hornets sounds I think they would really struggle to man it. Especially as a 9-ship.

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Old 18th May 2020, 07:39
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Engine failure on takeoff, every pilot’s nightmare. I hope he gets plenty of support - the death of his colleague is going to be hard on him.
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