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Old 5th Jan 2020, 07:52
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This from the BBC explains a little of the French psyche:-
BBC - Travel - Why the French love to say no
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 08:10
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...as opposed to the Japanese, who will often (usually?) say "Yes" when they mean "No", because they don't want to offend.
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 08:23
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common habit in many non European countries... Indonesia, India etc etc

I was taught never to ask a question that can be answered Yes or No - so never "is this job finished?" rather "would you be kind enough to show me your progress on this job?"
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SASLess - you’re obviously talking of the 1986 operation against Libya. I presume Less Hair is talking 2011?
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 12:49
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No, I am not.
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 23:21
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Guys, your deep and unbiased knowledge of the psyche of other countries as well as recent history and military operations is to be commended.
A very enlighting conversation, respect to the OP...


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Old 6th Jan 2020, 00:05
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No, I am not.

Then you are quite mistaken!


https://media.defense.gov/2012/Aug/2...o%20Canyon.pdf
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 09:31
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You can connect the dots yourself. In a nutshell:
Strike package takes off from the UK in public view.
Elements still manage to arrive early over target and hit G's family.
Early french reports about secret overflight get silenced after hours.
French get preferred US treatment soon after.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 10:01
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A question about the weapons systems; my memory from the time is that the ordinance was effectivey dropped ballistically on a lat and long, there being no [email protected] target designators, yet the PDF above talks a lot about 'laser guided' Paveways. I also understood that several/most of the targets were missed, this was attributed by some to the Wermacht-produced maps of northern Libya not being aligned with WGS 84. Can anyone who knows more about this or remembers the raid better than I comment, please?
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 11:16
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The PDF discusses the reasons for the misses and how the bombing was done following all sorts of systems failures. Did you miss that part?
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 11:42
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Try this video.....


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Old 6th Jan 2020, 12:18
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Ignore what you want.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 13:43
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The PDF discusses the reasons for the misses and how the bombing was done following all sorts of systems failures. Did you miss that part?
I did of course read the PDF carefully and it doesn't clearly say how the bombing was done to a non-bomber pilot. The video is more informative, thank you. I should have remembered the sort of smart-ass agression an innocent question sometimes gets on these forums.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 16:19
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Impressive bomb load on the A6 - two thirds the maximum load in the Vulcan
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 11:45
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The French

So, just having finished my shower, in CSE , an EI pilot comes into my room to ask me what is going on ? A mass launch at Upper Heyford could be heard from the open windows. Sticking my head out I see a holding pattern in the sky of contrails about 25,000' plus. Knowing there was no AAR training area above Oxford, I surmised an attack was being launched and forecast Tripoli. Said " we will know in the morning, or just before. Being blessed with the presence of Libyan Arab Airline pilots , who regaled in frivolity in the showers entailing large consumption of wet toilet paper ( hence the early shower ), not much used in the latrine I may add, I expected a large arrival of police/SB/5 just prior to any public broadcast of said prediction. Then we will know. On cue, a few hours later , in come the plod , and hay presto, a dearth of our beloved foreign colonial gentlemen friends from class the next day. Back to ' Plotting ' !
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
You can connect the dots yourself. In a nutshell:
Strike package takes off from the UK in public view.
Elements still manage to arrive early over target and hit G's family.
Early french reports about secret overflight get silenced after hours.
French get preferred US treatment soon after.
With regard to the French getting preferred treatment after the attack,
that might have been the US trying to appease the french since the ACCIDENTALLY bombed (or very near misses)there embassy on that raid in Tripoli!
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 18:11
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Originally Posted by Wee Weasley Welshman View Post
Are the French refusing tankers back to the UK?
It appears that French airspace is being used by the QUID's as they transit from Rota back to Mildenhall. One of the USAF KC-135's just went across Brittany.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 20:29
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
It appears that French airspace is being used by the QUID's as they transit from Rota back to Mildenhall. One of the USAF KC-135's just went across Brittany.
What was the OP trying to do with his question ?
I noticed he's labelled as a moderator, why not move this thread to JB where it belongs ?
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 21:29
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