Tempest reborn ?
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Tempest reborn ?
It is reported that Italy will join a consortium headed by Britain to build a new advanced fighter. Named the Tempest, the aircraft will feature stealth technology, laser weapons and drone wingmen. The aircraft is expected to fly in 2035. Those collaborating are BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, MBDA and Leonardo.
Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst.
Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst.
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It is reported that Italy will join a consortium headed by Britain to build a new advanced fighter. Named the Tempest, the aircraft will feature stealth technology, laser weapons and drone wingmen. The aircraft is expected to fly in 2035. Those collaborating are BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, MBDA and Leonardo.
Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst.
Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst.
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What on earth has it to do with the US?
Ever heard of Tornado, AMX, Typhoon, NH90 etc etc etc...
What on earth has it to do with the US?
Ever heard of Tornado, AMX, Typhoon, NH90 etc etc etc...
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When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue.
Those aircraft were developed in the EU, the Tornado project being launched while the UK was applying for accession.
When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue.
When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue.
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No, those aircraft were all developed long before the EU became an entity.
problem is market - Uk will buy ?120? italy ?120?
Not many to go for a zillion dollar development programme
Not many to go for a zillion dollar development programme
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
It’s in competition with the proposed Franco-German fighter. The problem with that consortium for other nations is that after French and German industries take airframe, engine, radar, software etc there is little they will be able to get in the way of work if they join.
Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. I’m assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese.
As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc.
Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. I’m assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese.
As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc.
who will also have the option of buying the French/German 'plane
The Germans are rubbish at selling but the French??? they'll run rings around the It-UK as they always do
The Germans are rubbish at selling but the French??? they'll run rings around the It-UK as they always do
It’s in competition with the proposed Franco-German fighter. The problem with that consortium for other nations is that after French and German industries take airframe, engine, radar, software etc there is little they will be able to get in the way of work if they join.
Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. I’m assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese.
As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc.
Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. I’m assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese.
As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc.
Typhoon
Germany 130
Italy 90
Spain 61
UK 160
Austria - 15
Kuwait - 28
Oman - 12
Qatar - 24
Saudi - 72
Total 692 of which 151 are 'overseas'
Rafale
France 180
Egypt - 24
India - 36
Qatar - 36
Total 276 of which 96 are overseas
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Batco
Last edited by BATCO; 2nd Oct 2019 at 18:49.
BATCO
If you’re trying to make Typhoon look bad would you mind adding on the initial sales to the four partner nations to the first list and then the French Rafale purchase to the lower list?
That in itself paints a picture.
Also, please remind us how the India deal is progressing.
BV
That in itself paints a picture.
Also, please remind us how the India deal is progressing.
BV
It wasn't that long ago that the number of Typhoons delivered to the RAF alone outnumbered the entire production run of Rafales delivered worldwide.
Dassault would probably be content to achieve a 3:1 ratio when it comes to Typhoon to Rafale sales. Not sure they will ever achieve it.
Dassault would probably be content to achieve a 3:1 ratio when it comes to Typhoon to Rafale sales. Not sure they will ever achieve it.