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Tempest reborn ?
It is reported that Italy will join a consortium headed by Britain to build a new advanced fighter. Named the Tempest, the aircraft will feature stealth technology, laser weapons and drone wingmen. The aircraft is expected to fly in 2035. Those collaborating are BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, MBDA and Leonardo.
Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst. |
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen
(Post 10566560)
It is reported that Italy will join a consortium headed by Britain to build a new advanced fighter. Named the Tempest, the aircraft will feature stealth technology, laser weapons and drone wingmen. The aircraft is expected to fly in 2035. Those collaborating are BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, MBDA and Leonardo.
Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst. |
Ahem ! Italy is the news.
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen
(Post 10566699)
Ahem ! Italy is the news.
Not sure the US would allow that... |
Fly Aiprt,
What on earth has it to do with the US? Ever heard of Tornado, AMX, Typhoon, NH90 etc etc etc... |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 10567147)
Fly Aiprt,
What on earth has it to do with the US? Ever heard of Tornado, AMX, Typhoon, NH90 etc etc etc... When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue. |
Those aircraft were developed in the EU, the Tornado project being launched while the UK was applying for accession. When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue. |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 10567172)
What a load of guff.
I'm suggesting getting out of the EU might change lots of things for the UK, but if your expertise makes you think otherwise, you are most welcome, my friend. |
getting out of the EU might change lots of things for the UK |
Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt
(Post 10567151)
Those aircraft were developed in the EU, the Tornado project being launched while the UK was applying for accession.
When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue. |
problem is market - Uk will buy ?120? italy ?120?
Not many to go for a zillion dollar development programme |
Originally Posted by Harley Quinn
(Post 10567282)
No, those aircraft were all developed long before the EU became an entity.
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It’s in competition with the proposed Franco-German fighter. The problem with that consortium for other nations is that after French and German industries take airframe, engine, radar, software etc there is little they will be able to get in the way of work if they join. Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. I’m assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese. As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc. |
who will also have the option of buying the French/German 'plane
The Germans are rubbish at selling but the French??? they'll run rings around the It-UK as they always do |
Asturias
🇫🇷 will run rings around 🇬🇧 🇮🇹? Remind me how many overseas sales there are for Rafale and Typhoon respectively? BV |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10567356)
It’s in competition with the proposed Franco-German fighter. The problem with that consortium for other nations is that after French and German industries take airframe, engine, radar, software etc there is little they will be able to get in the way of work if they join. Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. I’m assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese. As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc. |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 10567408)
���� will run rings around ���� ����? Remind me how many overseas sales there are for Rafale and Typhoon respectively? BV Typhoon Germany 130 Italy 90 Spain 61 UK 160 Austria - 15 Kuwait - 28 Oman - 12 Qatar - 24 Saudi - 72 Total 692 of which 151 are 'overseas' Rafale France 180 Egypt - 24 India - 36 Qatar - 36 Total 276 of which 96 are overseas Regards Batco |
BATCO
If you’re trying to make Typhoon look bad would you mind adding on the initial sales to the four partner nations to the first list and then the French Rafale purchase to the lower list? That in itself paints a picture. Also, please remind us how the India deal is progressing. BV |
It wasn't that long ago that the number of Typhoons delivered to the RAF alone outnumbered the entire production run of Rafales delivered worldwide.
Dassault would probably be content to achieve a 3:1 ratio when it comes to Typhoon to Rafale sales. Not sure they will ever achieve it. |
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